From: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Apr 10 2003 - 12:02:19 EDT
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There are 24 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Boneheads 'pirates' on FRS
From: "Ian Howes" <ian_howes@hotmail.com>
2. Re: Boneheads 'pirates' on FRS
From: "va3gpc" <va3gpc@yahoo.ca>
3. Re: Re: Boneheads 'pirates' on FRS
From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com>
4. Bell Fleetnet and Ambulance
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
5. RE: Boneheads 'pirates' on FRS
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
6. Re: Bell Fleetnet and Ambulance
From: Chris Fortner <forts@rogers.com>
7. RE: Bell Fleetnet and Ambulance
From: "Bob Lyle" <bob_lyle@sympatico.ca>
8. Re: Boneheads 'pirates' on FRS
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
9. Re: Boneheads 'pirates' on FRS
From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com>
10. Toronto Scanner Dump
From: Phil Tucker <phil@substatica.com>
11. Re: Bell Fleetnet and Ambulance
From: "John H" <sudsyjkh@softhome.net>
12. Re: Toronto Scanner Dump
From: rsh@idirect.com
13. Radio Pirates on FRS
From: Doug Smith <ve3iyb2000@yahoo.ca>
14. Re: Toronto Scanner Dump
From: Steve Jones <s.jones@rogers.com>
15. Re: Toronto Scanner Dump
From: Michael Fenech <mfenech@sympatico.ca>
16. Re: Toronto Scanner Dump
From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com>
17. Re: Toronto Scanner Dump
From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com>
18. Re: Toronto Scanner Dump
From: Michael Fenech <mfenech@sympatico.ca>
19. Re: Bell Fleetnet and Ambulance
From: "dave_scan1" <dharris@playground.net>
20. Re: Toronto Scanner Dump
From: "R.S. (Bob) Heuman" <rsh@idirect.com>
21. RE: Toronto Scanner Dump
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
22. RE: Re: Bell Fleetnet and Ambulance
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
23. Re: Toronto Scanner Dump
From: Michael Fenech <mfenech@sympatico.ca>
24. RE: Re: Bell Fleetnet and Ambulance
From: Chris Fortner <forts@rogers.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 13:56:48 -0400
From: "Ian Howes" <ian_howes@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Boneheads 'pirates' on FRS
All,
If the hunt is going to happen after April 24th I'll be home. I'd love to
go!
Who owns any equipment that they feel would be beneficial to the hunt
(yagi's, attenuators, etc.)
Ian
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From: "parkingcontrol" <parkingcontrol@rogers.com>
Reply-To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
To: <scanont@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Scanont] Boneheads 'pirates' on FRS
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 01:14:13 -0000
A foxhunt you say....well that sounds like fun....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan" <bryanpass@rogers.com>
To: <scanont@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 8:09 PM
Subject: [Scanont] Boneheads 'pirates' on FRS
> Anyone else in West-end Toronto hear the idiots that have been on FRS
> lately? They're using these GMRS radios from the States and
> transmitting around 2-5 watts on channel one, bragging about how
> powerful their signal is, harassing the 'locals' (including children).
> and waiting for their 'boosters' to come. A friend of mine pointed them
> out to me, and its a hoot to listen to. Not only are they dumb enough
> to use their real names, they pretty much give away where they are and
> what they use, and they obviously have no clue about radio or anything
> like that. Anyone care to go on a foxhunt? :)
>
> I guess if you're gonna be a big-time radio pirate, you might as well
> go for broke and take over FRS (shakes head). Yeesh. At least they
> lack the brains to be hacking into the police radio system. Someone's
> been blasting them with some sort of tone, and that seems to piss them
> off. :)
>
> Doesn't matter.. I hear through the grapevine that IC's aware of them
> and hopefully they'll be stopped soon.
>
> Grin. Keep playing with your toys, boys - you'll get caught sooner or
> later.
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 17:40:38 -0000
From: "va3gpc" <va3gpc@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Boneheads 'pirates' on FRS
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, "parkingcontrol"
<parkingcontrol@r...> wrote:
> Heehee...Shhhhh....be vewy quiet......we huntin' that wascaly
wabbit..:}
Then you can come out to Oakville and catch the guys using converted
ham radios with 30-40 watts on FRS... a couple of locals have got
them pinned to a 2 block radius, but can't seem to home in on them.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:39:05 -0400
From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Boneheads 'pirates' on FRS
> Then you can come out to Oakville and catch the guys using converted
> ham radios with 30-40 watts on FRS... a couple of locals have got
> them pinned to a 2 block radius, but can't seem to home in on them.
Grin. Either or
I'm more than willing to participate. Sounds like fun. :)
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:50:03 -0400
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
Subject: Bell Fleetnet and Ambulance
Hey there..
I just got an e-mail from a person on the Fleetnet "team" regarding
Ambulance and the new system.
I won't quote the entire message, for obvious reasons, but...
"London City had to move to FleetNet due to ongoing significant
problems with the legacy radio channel. This cutover is going to be
the only exception to the master plan."
And
"The plan is to start in Windsor and work east until Oshawa is
cut over, switching one CACC every week or two."
>From the tone of the e-mail, they are very happy with the system, so
far. Any problems have already been worked out by the MTO being on the
system for, in some cases, 2 years now.
He also mentioned something about Toronto EMS being on the system. I
assume he means they will be adding a VHF radio to their vehicles, as
opposed to switching entirely to the system?
M
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:59:07 -0400
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
Subject: RE: Boneheads 'pirates' on FRS
I'm in!
It's been a long time since I've done a Fox-Hunt, but they are a lot of
fun, especially in a big city like Toronto.
M
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 17:35:19 -0400
From: Chris Fortner <forts@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Bell Fleetnet and Ambulance
>"London City had to move to FleetNet due to ongoing significant
>problems with the legacy radio channel. This cutover is going to be
>the only exception to the master plan."
I heard a dispatched a day or 2 ago telling a unit to switch from London 2
(151.820) to the new City 1 channel.... he mentioned something about
difficulties with London 2. Also caught a car going into Tillsonburg, and
he commented to the London dispatcher about 'how great the range was on the
new channel'
Chris Fortner
London, Ontario Canada
forts@rogers.com
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:41:47 -0400
From: "Bob Lyle" <bob_lyle@sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: Bell Fleetnet and Ambulance
Could be Toronto EMS will be on the system - meaning the control consoles -
not the Toronto vehicles. That way out of town units can communicate
directly with Toronto EMS and perhaps be patched onto the Toronto system if
need be.
Bob
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:51:19 -0400
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
Subject: Re: Boneheads 'pirates' on FRS
I think I found one of my 'tweenie' FRS guys last night while mobile. I just need to 'pencil test' him tonight. Maybe its time to reconsider one of those mobile Doppler units.
So what do we do when we find them? Put a notch on the scanner or request an out of band QSL or both?
J.
"Just watch me." Pierre Elliot Trudeau 1970
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Iszak
To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 16:59 PM
Subject: RE: [Scanont] Boneheads 'pirates' on FRS
I'm in!
It's been a long time since I've done a Fox-Hunt, but they are a lot of
fun, especially in a big city like Toronto.
M
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:56:19 -0400
From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Boneheads 'pirates' on FRS
> I think I found one of my 'tweenie' FRS guys last night while mobile.
> I just need to 'pencil test' him tonight. Maybe its time to reconsider
> one of those mobile Doppler units.
>
> So what do we do when we find them? Put a notch on the scanner or
> request an out of band QSL or both?
Hehe
"Hey Marco... your address is xxxxxxxxxxx, and is being given to IC and
I'm putting a key to your towtruck."
That should work, no?
Grin
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:14:25 -0400
From: Phil Tucker <phil@substatica.com>
Subject: Toronto Scanner Dump
Saw Champ's freq. dump, I'm pretty new to scanning got an R2 and was
wondering if anyone in TO would be kind enough to dump their scanner's
memory ;) I have Haruteq and seen all the lists, but it's much better to
hear from someone who actually listens to the freqs which are still in use
and interesting..............currently I listen mostly to ( approx ),
900 - 905 Cordless phones in my apt. complex ;)
869 - 899 Analogue cells
867.2375 - 868.0875 Trunked Toronto Police ( non trunking scanner, I just
scan and scan )
And that's pretty much it, can't find any working TTC other than wheeltrans
( what a riot... ) Any confirmed easy listenin' would be great! I'm in
Toronto West ( Little Italy )
Phil
@substatica.com
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:02:11 -0400
From: "John H" <sudsyjkh@softhome.net>
Subject: Re: Bell Fleetnet and Ambulance
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
To: <scanont@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 4:50 PM
Subject: [Scanont] Bell Fleetnet and Ambulance
> Hey there..
>
> I just got an e-mail from a person on the Fleetnet "team" regarding
> Ambulance and the new system.
>
> I won't quote the entire message, for obvious reasons, but...
>
> "London City had to move to FleetNet due to ongoing significant
> problems with the legacy radio channel. This cutover is going to be
> the only exception to the master plan."
>
> And
>
> "The plan is to start in Windsor and work east until Oshawa is
> cut over, switching one CACC every week or two."
> When is this going to start? The last plan I saw said that MOH was going
to switch in the summer of 2001.lol
> From the tone of the e-mail, they are very happy with the system, so
> far. Any problems have already been worked out by the MTO being on the
> system for, in some cases, 2 years now.
>
> He also mentioned something about Toronto EMS being on the system. I
> assume he means they will be adding a VHF radio to their vehicles, as
> opposed to switching entirely to the system?
>
>
> M
>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 19:27:47 -0400
From: rsh@idirect.com
Subject: Re: Toronto Scanner Dump
Have a detailed list at the web site I moderate.
TTC 1-6 all work as do some of the other TTC frequencies. They seem to be
hand-helds in many cases, so you only hear them when they are in your
neighbourhood.
RSH
On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:14:25 -0400, you wrote:
>Saw Champ's freq. dump, I'm pretty new to scanning got an R2 and was
>wondering if anyone in TO would be kind enough to dump their scanner's
>memory ;) I have Haruteq and seen all the lists, but it's much better to
>hear from someone who actually listens to the freqs which are still in use
>and interesting..............currently I listen mostly to ( approx ),
>
>900 - 905 Cordless phones in my apt. complex ;)
>869 - 899 Analogue cells
>867.2375 - 868.0875 Trunked Toronto Police ( non trunking scanner, I just
>scan and scan )
>
>And that's pretty much it, can't find any working TTC other than wheeltrans
>( what a riot... ) Any confirmed easy listenin' would be great! I'm in
>Toronto West ( Little Italy )
>
>Phil
>@substatica.com
>
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:42:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Doug Smith <ve3iyb2000@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Radio Pirates on FRS
The below information is more specific to intruders in
the ham bands but, may give you some guidelines.
Intruders are a world wide problem. IARU has an active
monitoring program(headed in Region 2 by our own
Martin Potter, VE3OAT), which actively reports
such operations.
Information can be found at www.iaru-r2.org/monitor
For instructions on reporting an intruder and for
additional technical information, visit the Website of
the IARU REGION 2 MONITORING SYSTEM at
www.echelon.ca/iarumsr2
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 20:25:33 -0400
From: Steve Jones <s.jones@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Toronto Scanner Dump
on 4/9/03 6:14 PM, Phil Tucker at phil@substatica.com wrote:
> Saw Champ's freq. dump, I'm pretty new to scanning got an R2 and was
> wondering if anyone in TO would be kind enough to dump their scanner's
> memory ;)
There's a file in the files section which appears to be a programming file
for the Toronto area. Not sure which program created it (Winscan?) but it
might be helpful.
-- Steve <s.jones@rogers.com> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:27:13 -0400 From: Michael Fenech <mfenech@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Toronto Scanner Dump On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 07:27 PM, rsh@idirect.com wrote: > TTC 1-6 all work as do some of the other TTC frequencies. They seem > to be > hand-helds in many cases, so you only hear them when they are in your > neighbourhood. Not sure what you mean here. The TTC's repeaters put out a great signal. I recall driving out of Hamilton and picking them up full quieting on the handheld. The new channel 6 is the only one that may be lower powered or simplex (I've never heard anything on it). The TTC's CIS channels, while more local in coverage, can also be heard over much of the city. -- Michael Fenech Toronto, Ontario ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:31:48 -0400 From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com> Subject: Re: Toronto Scanner Dump > TTC 1-6 all work as do some of the other TTC frequencies. They seem > to be > hand-helds in many cases, so you only hear them when they are in your > neighbourhood. ???? Might want to check your facts, there.. TTC Supervisor system are all repeatered, as is the surface CIS. Both of them get great coverage far outside of Toronto. The Wayside system (the subway radio system) isn't monitorable at all unless you're in a tunnel, maybe thats what you're thinking of. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:34:10 -0400 From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com> Subject: Re: Toronto Scanner Dump > Not sure what you mean here. The TTC's repeaters put out a great > signal. I recall driving out of Hamilton and picking them up full > quieting on the handheld. The new channel 6 is the only one that may > be lower powered or simplex (I've never heard anything on it). The > TTC's CIS channels, while more local in coverage, can also be heard > over much of the city. D'oh! I should have read ahead before I chimed in... I, too, have gotten TTC clear as a bell in Hamilton. I've gotten it as far away at Mount Hope, but then it got rather scratchy. :) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:59:33 -0400 From: Michael Fenech <mfenech@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Toronto Scanner Dump On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 09:34 PM, Bryan wrote: > I, too, have gotten TTC clear as a bell in Hamilton. I've gotten it as > far away at Mount Hope, but then it got rather scratchy. :) TAFL shows the supervisor system repeaters on the CN Tower.....! -- Michael Fenech Toronto, Ontario ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:06:42 -0000 From: "dave_scan1" <dharris@playground.net> Subject: Re: Bell Fleetnet and Ambulance --- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, Chris Fortner <forts@r...> wrote: > > >"London City had to move to FleetNet due to ongoing significant > >problems with the legacy radio channel. This cutover is going to be > >the only exception to the master plan." > > > I heard a dispatched a day or 2 ago telling a unit to switch from London 2 > (151.820) to the new City 1 channel.... he mentioned something about > difficulties with London 2. Also caught a car going into Tillsonburg, and > he commented to the London dispatcher about 'how great the range was on the > new channel' > > Chris Fortner I think I have a clue. One of the low-power unlicensed MURS (Multi-Use Radio Service) channels in the U.S. is 151.820. They may have problems from people using them illegally in Canada, or even using non-MURS equipment possibly with higher power, on that channel. Dave ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:25:42 -0400 From: "R.S. (Bob) Heuman" <rsh@idirect.com> Subject: Re: Toronto Scanner Dump I mean frequencies such as 423.6375 mHz, which seem to be very local. I can often hear the supervisor and the bus driver... but the driver may be extremely faint, and I almost never hear one from more than a few kilometers away from my location. I agree that the MAIN frequencies, which I call 1-6, with 2 being WheelTrans are clear all over the city. However 423.6375 is one of the other TTC frequencies I am talking about. I do NOT believe that is a repeater. RSH ------------------------------ On Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:27:13 -0400, you wrote: >On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 07:27 PM, rsh@idirect.com wrote: > >> TTC 1-6 all work as do some of the other TTC frequencies. They seem >> to be >> hand-helds in many cases, so you only hear them when they are in your >> neighbourhood. > >Not sure what you mean here. The TTC's repeaters put out a great >signal. I recall driving out of Hamilton and picking them up full >quieting on the handheld. The new channel 6 is the only one that may >be lower powered or simplex (I've never heard anything on it). The >TTC's CIS channels, while more local in coverage, can also be heard >over much of the city. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:14:03 -0400 From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca> Subject: RE: Toronto Scanner Dump That frequency (423.6375) is used in the Wilson Yard complex near The Allen and the 401. I don't believe it's on a repeater, so you won't get much range out of that one. M ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:10:19 -0400 From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca> Subject: RE: Re: Bell Fleetnet and Ambulance That could do it. Hmm. Especially in the summer, with Port Stanley being a popular tourist area for Americans, that frequency might be worth keeping an ear on. As well, I see Niagara (155.130) switching to the new system soon, as they get lots if interference with a Police Department from south of the border - it's QUITE annoying at times. When I lived in London, I never remember hearing much interference on 151.820, is it something you've noticed at all Chris? M ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 07:12:59 -0400 From: Michael Fenech <mfenech@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Toronto Scanner Dump On Thursday, April 10, 2003, at 12:25 AM, R.S. (Bob) Heuman wrote: > I mean frequencies such as 423.6375 mHz, which seem to be very local. > I can > often hear the supervisor and the bus driver... but the driver may be > extremely faint, and I almost never hear one from more than a few > kilometers > away from my location. 423.6375 is one of the CIS channels used by surface routes. You're right that they are local as different frequencies are used for different bus divisions. In my area (central Etobicoke), 423.6625 is used. These channels are used like a phone system where the base calls and talks to only one unit at a time. It is a repeater because it repeats the mobile (bus) over the base frequency. The reason the audio is so faint isn't because the signal is weak, it's because they appear to be using a very narrow band FM. If you have a BC-780, using NFM mode instead of FM will give you a little better audio. -- Michael Fenech Toronto, Ontario ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 24 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 07:31:23 -0400 From: Chris Fortner <forts@rogers.com> Subject: RE: Re: Bell Fleetnet and Ambulance >When I lived in London, I never remember hearing much interference on >151.820, is it something you've noticed at all Chris? Actually, no... I haven't really noticed anything.... Chris Fortner London, Ontario Canada forts@rogers.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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