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There are 22 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: SSPD training
From: "Mike Ciupa" <mciupa@excite.com>
2. Re: Re: SSPD training
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
3. Hamilton Public Safety-digital
From: "Eric" <ejb@cogeco.ca>
4. partial retraction-Hamilton Public Safety
From: "Eric" <ejb@cogeco.ca>
5. RE: partial retraction-Hamilton Public Safety
From: "Bob Lyle" <bob_lyle@sympatico.ca>
6. Re: SSPD training
From: "Mike Ciupa" <mciupa@excite.com>
7. digital scanners
From: nancy van elswyk <nancyschmancy21@yahoo.com>
8. Re: GMCP site 9
From: "dave_scan1" <dharris@playground.net>
9. Re: digital scanners
From: "Eric" <ejb@cogeco.ca>
10. Re: partial retraction-Hamilton Public Safety
From: "Eric" <ejb@cogeco.ca>
11. RE: Re: partial retraction-Hamilton Public Safety
From: "Bob Lyle" <bob_lyle@sympatico.ca>
12. Re: Re: GMCP site 9
From: Michael Fenech <mfenech@sympatico.ca>
13. Re: 9600 scanner
From: F Romano <sleepinabox@yahoo.ca>
14. Re: Re: partial retraction-Hamilton Public Safety
From: Steve Jones <sdjones@isys.ca>
15. New File Added: TAFL.POM
From: "Archibald Movse" <fiddlepuss@yahoo.com>
16. Re: Re: GMCP site 9
From: "Champ" <Champ@scanneraudio.com>
17. Reply to Andrew Porrett
From: "Archibald Movse" <fiddlepuss@yahoo.com>
18. Re: Reply to Andrew Porrett
From: Andrew Porrett <wap@ica.net>
19. RE: Re: partial retraction-Hamilton Public Safety
From: "Greg Kulin" <gkulin@everreddy.com>
20. NRPS
From: "Greg Kulin" <gkulin@everreddy.com>
21. Re: Re: digital scanners
From: nancy van elswyk <nancyschmancy21@yahoo.com>
22. RE: NRPS
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:39:56 -0000
From: "Mike Ciupa" <mciupa@excite.com>
Subject: Re: SSPD training
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, "radio" <radio@s...> wrote:
> Sorta interesting training going on the north TAC 142.695, it's
repeatered so you should be able to snag it from TO it's a pretty
solid signal on that freq.
>
> J.
After reading your message,I gave it a listen around 7 pm .
"204" & "205" were involved in a pursuit,giving particulars
on road conditions,pedestrian traffic and so on.But the thing
that struck me was the speeds reported...40 k/hr...50k/hr
Sounds like a high-speed bicycle pursuit!
-Mike-
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:07:53 -0500
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
Subject: Re: Re: SSPD training
Ya well they just pick an arbitrary number and go with it. There's a lot of joking around too when they're training on air. How far away are you from them? They have a decent signal. I can hear them mobile from Collingwood (not on the mountain) north of Orillia and in Caledon.
J.
"Just watch me." Pierre Elliot Trudeau 1970
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Ciupa
To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 17:39 PM
Subject: [Scanont] Re: SSPD training
After reading your message,I gave it a listen around 7 pm .
"204" & "205" were involved in a pursuit,giving particulars
on road conditions,pedestrian traffic and so on.But the thing
that struck me was the speeds reported...40 k/hr...50k/hr
Sounds like a high-speed bicycle pursuit!
-Mike-
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 00:11:42 -0000
From: "Eric" <ejb@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Hamilton Public Safety-digital
I guess the inevitable hapenned but it seems like Hamilton's Public
security (safety) Trunked system has gone digital. The four police
divisions trunked groups 48-east, 80-central, 112-mountain/dundas
plus the various other ones come thru now as scrambled digital bursts.
I am still able to hear the FPD and the various water/hydro etc on
regualr analog trunked.
Sad to pass this on, they have been testing digital for about 6
months now.
Eric
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 00:26:35 -0000
From: "Eric" <ejb@cogeco.ca>
Subject: partial retraction-Hamilton Public Safety
At 7:22 PM on the 27th I heard analog talk group 80 (central PD)then
back to digital. I guess they are still testing a digital system.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:44:44 -0500
From: "Bob Lyle" <bob_lyle@sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: partial retraction-Hamilton Public Safety
Hamilton has been running an all-digital limited-use system with a control
channel of 866.5375 for some years now. Same system ID as the main trunking
system. (4b1c) I have the main system on now (CC 866.7875) and the PD is
analog, on all 3 divisions.
Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric [mailto:ejb@cogeco.ca]
> Sent: March 27, 2003 7:27 PM
> To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Scanont] partial retraction-Hamilton Public Safety
>
>
> At 7:22 PM on the 27th I heard analog talk group 80 (central PD)then
> back to digital. I guess they are still testing a digital system.
>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 00:55:11 -0000
From: "Mike Ciupa" <mciupa@excite.com>
Subject: Re: SSPD training
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, "radio" <radio@s...> wrote:
How far away are you from them? They have a decent signal. I can hear
them mobile from Collingwood (not on the mountain) north of Orillia
and in Caledon.
>
> J.
I'm near Hwys.401 & 409. The TAC ch.(142.695) was coming in fairly
good yesterday. They were giving locations of Innisfil Beach Rd.
Haven't heard anything tonight. 142.125 comes in "choppy". 142.11
used to come in half-decent when they had it. SS Fire has a good
signal down here as well.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:02:40 -0800 (PST)
From: nancy van elswyk <nancyschmancy21@yahoo.com>
Subject: digital scanners
I don't know much about scanners but I do own one to listen to police, etc.
I just received a email about Hamilton police going digital and I was just wondering if you can still listen to police, fire, etc. calls if you get a digal scanner?
Thanks for you feedback,
Nancy
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 01:15:17 -0000
From: "dave_scan1" <dharris@playground.net>
Subject: Re: GMCP site 9
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, Michael Fenech <mfenech@s...> wrote:
> Site 9, Mississauga: add 142.365.
>
> --
> Michael Fenech
> Toronto, Ontario
That'd be Zone 1 of course. Zone 2 Site 9 CC is active somewhere
in the western part of eastern Ont.
Dave
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 01:19:33 -0000
From: "Eric" <ejb@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: digital scanners
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, nancy van elswyk
<nancyschmancy21@y...> wrote:
>
>>
> I just received a email about Hamilton police going digital and I
was just wondering if you can still listen to police, fire, etc.
calls if you get a digal scanner?
>
> Thanks for you feedback,
>
> Nancy
Nancy. Hamilton seems to be easing into a digital system. Actually on
my 245XLT I am getting all kinds of talk groups on here that are
probably flukes, wierd numbers not listed on any list, cell phone
calls, wierd stuff. Right now I can hear all the police divisions but
just an hour ago I heard digital bursts in all the police divisions.
Enjoy analog while it lasts
Eric in Hamilton.
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 01:22:15 -0000
From: "Eric" <ejb@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: partial retraction-Hamilton Public Safety
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Lyle" <bob_lyle@s...> wrote:
> Hamilton has been running an all-digital limited-use system with a
control
> channel of 866.5375 for some years now.
> Bob
>
Bob. Are they eventually going all digital?
Eric
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:32:21 -0500
From: "Bob Lyle" <bob_lyle@sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: Re: partial retraction-Hamilton Public Safety
Haven't a clue Eric, but 866.5375 has been on the air for probably 3 years
at least(?). I'm sure somebody can remember more accurately than that, and
I'm also pretty sure I was told the digital system was sort of a trial that
was never completed. Just why it still exists with such limited use and only
3 or 4 frequencies I don't know.
Bob
> Bob. Are they eventually going all digital?
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:49:10 -0500
From: Michael Fenech <mfenech@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Re: GMCP site 9
On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 08:15 PM, dave_scan1 wrote:
> --- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, Michael Fenech <mfenech@s...> wrote:
>> Site 9, Mississauga: add 142.365.
>
> That'd be Zone 1 of course. Zone 2 Site 9 CC is active somewhere
> in the western part of eastern Ont.
I did specify Mississauga, but you make a good point. I guess we need
to specify the zone now when giving site updates.
--
Michael Fenech
Toronto, Ontario
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:19:03 -0500 (EST)
From: F Romano <sleepinabox@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: 9600 scanner
Who has a 9600 system?
foxtail <foxtail@sympatico.ca> wrote:Does anyone on the list know when this 9600 scanner from RS or Uniden are to
hit the shelfs? Thanks.
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:59:17 -0500
From: Steve Jones <sdjones@isys.ca>
Subject: Re: Re: partial retraction-Hamilton Public Safety
on 3/27/03 8:32 PM, Bob Lyle at bob_lyle@sympatico.ca wrote:
> Haven't a clue Eric, but 866.5375 has been on the air for probably 3 years
> at least(?). I'm sure somebody can remember more accurately than that, and
> I'm also pretty sure I was told the digital system was sort of a trial that
> was never completed. Just why it still exists with such limited use and only
> 3 or 4 frequencies I don't know.
I think it dates back about 5 years.
Hamilton had a couple of astro encrypted conventional channels which were
rolled into this 3 frequency astro encrypted smartzone system. Most of the
confusion usually results from the fact that one of the control channels for
the new system (which shares the same sysid) was a channel from the old
system. Many scanners would lock onto this new control channel and people
would end up hearing the new encrypted system.
--
Steve <sdjones@isys.ca>
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:39:09 -0000
From: "Archibald Movse" <fiddlepuss@yahoo.com>
Subject: New File Added: TAFL.POM
If you've ever downloaded a Technical and Administrative Frequency
List (TAFL) file, you've probably noticed that it's NOT in a very
legible format.
I just uploaded, to the File library, a script named TAFL.POM that
lets you parse the TAFL data file and then extract only the fields
and records that interest you.
TAFL.POM is a script for the Parse-O-Matic language. The average
computer-savvy person should be able to install Parse-O-Matic and
get the script up and running in less than half an hour.
Parse-O-Matic is a "shareware" program, but you can use it free for
90 days, with my blessing (I'm the author of Parse-O-Matic). That
should be plenty of time to parse out all the data you want from
the "Regional" and "National" TAFL files.
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 01:04:34 -0500
From: "Champ" <Champ@scanneraudio.com>
Subject: Re: Re: GMCP site 9
Do you have any information regarding this Dave.
I haven't seen anything posted yet for a site 09 for Zone 2, just the Northumberland region?
Randy
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From: dave_scan1
To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:15 PM
Subject: [Scanont] Re: GMCP site 9
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, Michael Fenech <mfenech@s...> wrote:
> Site 9, Mississauga: add 142.365.
>
> --
> Michael Fenech
> Toronto, Ontario
That'd be Zone 1 of course. Zone 2 Site 9 CC is active somewhere
in the western part of eastern Ont.
Dave
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 05:42:38 -0000
From: "Archibald Movse" <fiddlepuss@yahoo.com>
Subject: Reply to Andrew Porrett
> >My results have been better than the duckie
> > (which was not hard to improve upon, since
> > it produced NO results). I picked up
> > international broadcasts from China and
> > (I think) Israel, as well as (finally!)
> > the BBC World Service. However, it's not
> > terribly clear.
>
> Is it weak-signal-staticy or overload/desense-distorted?
"Weak-signal" type static. It doesn't sound at all distorted.
> You just need to build a matching transformer; the
> impedance of a longwire antenna will be in the
> 300 to 1000 ohm range, while the receiver input
> impedance is somewhere around 50 ohms. That's
> about a 10 to 1 factor, so you need the
> following:
>
> [snip]
Wow, that ASCII illustration makes so much more sense when I cut and
paste it! When I display it in my browser, it compresses the spaces
out.
I'm not quite sure where I'm going to get the toroid. I'll poke
around in my old parts box. The transformer wire shouldn't be a
problem.
Thanks.
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 06:40:28 -0500
From: Andrew Porrett <wap@ica.net>
Subject: Re: Reply to Andrew Porrett
At 05:42 AM 3/28/03 -0000, Archibald Movse wrote:
>> Is it weak-signal-staticy or overload/desense-distorted?
>
>"Weak-signal" type static. It doesn't sound at all distorted.
You need an impedance matcher...
>Wow, that ASCII illustration makes so much more sense when I cut and
>paste it! When I display it in my browser, it compresses the spaces
>out.
Using a browser for email? :)
>I'm not quite sure where I'm going to get the toroid. I'll poke
>around in my old parts box. The transformer wire shouldn't be a
>problem.
Yeah, the toroid is usually the tough part to find. If you can't make the
matcher, I suggest you just give in and buy one; it'll make a huge difference.
...Andy
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:42:44 -0500
From: "Greg Kulin" <gkulin@everreddy.com>
Subject: RE: Re: partial retraction-Hamilton Public Safety
An anonymous poster wishes to share this, hoping it will clarify a few
things:
The last change to the City of Hamilton's radio system was the addition of
two channels from the regional zone to the city zone. Also it is not a
Smartzone system. It is a 7 site Smartnet simulcast Trunked system. The two
zones were set up originally because there was the Regional Municipality of
Hamilton Wentworth and the City of Hamilton. Zoning is simple partitioning
in the PON (Phase Optimization Node). Since amalgamation the Regional
channels to the City Zone.
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:44:58 -0500
From: "Greg Kulin" <gkulin@everreddy.com>
Subject: NRPS
An anonymous poster wishes to clarify some of the confusion about the NRPS
system. Here is the information:
The NRP have purchased a 21 (mostly RX sites) site ASTRO Conventional system
and have no plans to trunk. (In fact, their channels would have great
difficulty in trunking due to filtering issues). Region of Niagara has
purchased their own 4 channel single site ASTRO Conventional system, no
trunking. The nine municipal fire departments are remaining analog, seeking
exemption from 12.5kHZ redeployment with augmenting their coverage footprint
with receivers, and some simulcasting.
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 06:41:57 -0800 (PST)
From: nancy van elswyk <nancyschmancy21@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: digital scanners
Do you have any cell phone frequencies that your receiving. I haven't heard any of those for a couple of years.
Nancy
Eric <ejb@cogeco.ca> wrote:--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, nancy van elswyk
<nancyschmancy21@y...> wrote:
>
>>
> I just received a email about Hamilton police going digital and I
was just wondering if you can still listen to police, fire, etc.
calls if you get a digal scanner?
>
> Thanks for you feedback,
>
> Nancy
Nancy. Hamilton seems to be easing into a digital system. Actually on
my 245XLT I am getting all kinds of talk groups on here that are
probably flukes, wierd numbers not listed on any list, cell phone
calls, wierd stuff. Right now I can hear all the police divisions but
just an hour ago I heard digital bursts in all the police divisions.
Enjoy analog while it lasts
Eric in Hamilton.
>
>
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:40:35 -0500
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
Subject: RE: NRPS
If this is infact their plans (to not go trunking), why did they
purchase some trunking equipment from BMR? 1 of the 2 sites that BMR
were to use for the Niagara System was apparently purchased by Niagara.
As well, in their radios, on the old analog system, they used to have:
Ch1 - St. Catharines
Ch2 - Niagara Falls, Niagara On-The-Lake
Ch3 - Fort Erie
Ch4 - Grimsby, Lincoln
Ch5 - Welland, Pelham, Port Colborne, Wainfleet
Ch6 - Special
Ch7 - Prov. Comm
Ch8 - Simplex
Ch9 - OPP SIM1 (Some radios, not all had this)
Ch10- OPC (140.0400)
Channel 2 and 3 were simulcast, as were Channel 4 and 5.
Now, on the new system (digital), we have:
Ch1 - St. Catharines Operations (STC-OPS)
Ch2 - St. Catharines Tactical (STC-TAC)
Ch3 - Niagara Falls Operations (NIA-OPS)
Ch4 - Niagara Falls Tactical (NIA-TAC)
Ch5 - Fort Erie Operations (FTE-OPS)
Ch6 - Fort Erie Tactical (FTE-TAC)
Ch7 - Grimsby Operations (GRM-OPS)
Ch8 - Grimsby Tactical (GRM-TAC)
Ch9 - Welland Operations (WEL-OPS)
Ch10- Welland Tactical (WEL-TAC)
Ch11- Port Colborne/Wainfleet Operations (PTC-OPS)
Ch12- Port Colborne/Wainfleet Tactical (PTC-TAC)
Ch13- Special (SPECIAL)
Ch14- Simplex 1 (SIMPLEX1)
Ch15- Simplex 2 (SIMPLEX2)
Ch16- Provincial Common (analog) (P.COM)
The labels in (brackets) are what the radios actually say.
I'm not sure if all the radios are programmed like this, but I've seen 2
or 3 that aren't, and a few that are, so maybe they are in the process
of reprogramming?
For the time being, they still use OPS1, OPS2 and OPS3.
Back in the day, they only had 3 channels:
OPS1 - St. Catharines
OPS2 - Niagara Falls/Fort Erie
OPS3 - Grimsby, Port Colborne, Welland
They still only have 3 dispatch positions like this, but it's broken up
to different channels (but simulcast).
Today, this still holds true... Niagara Falls Ops and Fort Erie Ops are
simulcast, as are Welland, Grimsby and Port Colborne Ops.
I'm not sure about the tactical, as I've never really been able to play
with a radio that much.
If they aren't going trunking, they are sure as heck going to need more
frequencies from IC.
M
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