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Date: Sat Mar 22 2003 - 16:35:47 EST
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There are 11 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. GMRS - Hamilton Ambulance Testing
From: "alex pazaratz" <alex_pazaratz@hotmail.com>
2. RE: Re: ScanOnt Niagara Reg. Police Freqs.
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
3. Re: Indoor antennas
From: "David Reeves" <david.reeves@sympatico.ca>
4. Re: Re: Reply to SJA505
From: Andrew Porrett <wap@ica.net>
5. Geographical Freq. Search.
From: "J.Wiehe" <j.wiehe@sympatico.ca>
6. Re: Geographical Freq. Search.
From: "dave_scan1" <dharris@playground.net>
7. Re: Re: re 14855 FRS add GMRS channels
From: rsh@idirect.com
8. Re: re 14855 FRS add GMRS channels
From: "dave_scan1" <dharris@playground.net>
9. Re: Niagara Regional Police Freqs
From: NewsRadio <newsradio6@yahoo.com>
10. Ont. EMS Unit Designators
From: "Champ" <Champ@scanneraudio.com>
11. Re: Re: re 14855 FRS add GMRS channels
From: Doug Smith <ve3iyb2000@yahoo.ca>
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 01:26:36 -0000
From: "alex pazaratz" <alex_pazaratz@hotmail.com>
Subject: GMRS - Hamilton Ambulance Testing
Lots of analog testing on 35632 (Hamilton Simcoe) and 35616
(Hamilton Niagara)this past week. It sounded like mobile units were
testing from various locations they had been dispatched to, but
operations were still on the old VHF system.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 20:25:41 -0500
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
Subject: RE: Re: ScanOnt Niagara Reg. Police Freqs.
When I posted the first one, to the best of my knowledge, they were
ProVoice.
But, as I'm sure you're no doubt aware, politics and such have a play in
these things quite often. I just made a phone call to somebody I know
in London that would be in a position to know what the system is. He
tells me as of today, right now, they are using AEGIS with no
encryption, so you could buy an Orion or what not and listen. He also
tells me that they do possess ProVoice and encryption capabilities, but
it's just a matter of time (read: not enough money) to do the switch
right now.
Take it or leave it, you're free to verify that information if you want.
M
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Mike Iszak, VE3XLS
RCC College of Technology
2000 Steeles Avenue West
Concord (Toronto), Ontario
L4K 4N1
416.721.6698
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 02:28:50 -0000
From: "David Reeves" <david.reeves@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Indoor antennas
>From the looks of the pictures not a great antenna. Cut the outer
shell and shielding off any RG-59 cable, add suction cups and viola!!
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 22:22:34 -0500
From: Andrew Porrett <wap@ica.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Reply to SJA505
At 07:20 AM 3/20/03 -0000, Archibald Movse wrote:
>I've got a very long wire going out my window now, but I've just
>been sticking the end of the wire into the SMA connector! No coax,
>no impedance matcher -- nothing!
That will get you the powerhouses. Can you hear WBZ Boston on 1030 kHz?
>My results have been better than the duckie (which was not hard to
>improve upon, since it produced NO results). I picked up
>international broadcasts from China and (I think) Israel, as well as
>(finally!) the BBC World Service. However, it's not terribly clear.
Is it weak-signal-staticy or overload/desense-distorted?
>Y'know, I still have lots of stuff left over from 20 years ago.
>I've got potentiometers, switches, coax connectors, capacitors,
>resistors etc. Is there any way for me to BUILD an impedance
>matcher and/or a longwire antenna tuner? I'm constitutionally
>averse to spending money when I can build the thing myself.
You just need to build a matching transformer; the impedance of a longwire
antenna will be in the 300 to 1000 ohm range, while the receiver input
impedance is somewhere around 50 ohms. That's about a 10 to 1 factor, so
you need the following:
coil
antenna <--^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^---> to receiver ground (via coax)
^
| 25% to 35% tap point
|
+-----------> to receiver input (via coax)
With an impedance factor of roughly 9 to 1, you need a 3 to 1 tap (the
receiver input is connected one third (or so) of the way along the coil).
The coil should be 20 to 30 turns of small wire spaced evenly around a
small (~3/4 inch diameter) toroid. You'll obviously need fairly fine wire,
I'd just gut an old transformer for the wire. The toroid material type can
be critical - what you have lying around may not work well.
The connections from the coil to the receiver have to be via coax (as
little as 6 inches seems to work OK); I found that running just two wires
(one for signal, one for ground) didn't work very well, even when the wires
were short.
...Andy
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 08:55:10 -0500
From: "J.Wiehe" <j.wiehe@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Geographical Freq. Search.
Good morning all.
Has anyone ever tried using this link ?
http://sd.ic.gc.ca/pls/eng_alpha/web_search.geographical_input
Note it helps if you have a GPS unit or know your Lat. & Long.
Jim Wiehe VA3JHW
j.wiehe@sympatico.ca
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:43:25 -0000
From: "dave_scan1" <dharris@playground.net>
Subject: Re: Geographical Freq. Search.
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, "J.Wiehe" <j.wiehe@s...> wrote:
> Good morning all.
> Has anyone ever tried using this link ?
>
> http://sd.ic.gc.ca/pls/eng_alpha/web_search.geographical_input
>
> Note it helps if you have a GPS unit or know your Lat. & Long.
>
> Jim Wiehe VA3JHW
Yes, I use this regularly. In a pinch, use the co-ordinates of
a known nearby site (small taxi operation or whatever). I use
this instead of the Single Frequency search, varying the radius
as required.
Dave
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 09:46:54 -0500
From: rsh@idirect.com
Subject: Re: Re: re 14855 FRS add GMRS channels
Tell that to someone in Buffalo right by the river, using it, and then to
someone in Fort Erie right by the river... Not creeping illegality in the
US, of course, and since when did the US care about Canadian non-broadcast
airwave assignments, or did Canada care about US non-broadcast airwave
assignments? I suspect neither nation cares about this type of assignment
as long as the impact is limited, and at these frequencies it will be
limited.
FWIW...
Bob
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On Thus, 20 Mar 2003 00:29:24 -0000, you wrote:
>> 8 462.5750
>> 9 462.6250
>> 10 462.6750
>> 11 462.5500
>> 12 462.6000
>> 13 462.6500
>> 14 462.7000
>> 15 462.7250
>> * These frequencies correspond to FRS radio channels 1 through 7.
>> The remaining 8 channels are the GMRS only channels
>
> Sort of looks like creeping illegality to me. No such thing as
>GMRS in Canada, and some of these are still in commercial use.
>This thing can't even legally be operated on FRS due to the
>detachable antenna.
>
>Dave
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:55:03 -0000
From: "dave_scan1" <dharris@playground.net>
Subject: Re: re 14855 FRS add GMRS channels
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, rsh@i... wrote:
> Tell that to someone in Buffalo right by the river, using it, and
then to
> someone in Fort Erie right by the river... Not creeping illegality
in the
> US, of course, and since when did the US care about Canadian
non-broadcast
> airwave assignments, or did Canada care about US non-broadcast
airwave
> assignments? I suspect neither nation cares about this type of
assignment
> as long as the impact is limited, and at these frequencies it will
be
> limited.
>
> FWIW...
>
> Bob
No, obviously not illegal in the US except that they are being sold
en
masse to people who have no intention (or don't even know) they need
a
licence. For Canadian outlets to just start selling them knowing they
are not legal in Canada (and cannot be licensed) is a disgrace...
just thumbing one's nose at regulations.
This type of topic is better served on "gmrsweb" or other site.
Dave
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:25:24 -0800 (PST)
From: NewsRadio <newsradio6@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Niagara Regional Police Freqs
Steve;
My understanding from following the story is that as
soon as the deal with Bell fell thru, Niagara went out
and tendered and they ended up entering into an
agreement with Motorola to supply their new system. My
understanding is that they plan to use all their
existing infrastructure from the niagra analogue
system (eg toewrs; frequencies; etc) and that it would
include police and fire for all of niagara region
except I think Fort Erie which has alwasy been on
their own...
I think this is what Mike is trying to say. Oddly
enough, I found it very interesting just how QUICK
niagara and motorola came to an agreement once the
region and bell went separate ways...
--- Steve Jones <sdjones@isys.ca> wrote:
> on 3/20/03 1:59 AM, Mike Iszak at mike@warpzone.ca
> wrote:
>
> > No.I'm not talking about that.
> >
> > When Niagara was considering going with Bell,
> Niagara bought all their
> > own portables and mobiles.
>
> And from earlier:
>
> > What they did was buy the equipment for the Bell
> system outright, then
> > when that deal fell through, they started
> upgrading their exsisting
> > system.
> > So, radio-wise, everything is ready to go. They
> just need to get
> > everyone else on the system first.
>
> And from even earlier:
>
> > There's no need for a request for tender, they
> already own all the
> > equipment.
> > Their portables are all XTS3000 and the mobiles
> are all ASTRO Spectras,
> > and the repeaters are all Quantars.
>
> So you've gone from saying that Niagara has all the
> equipment necessary to
> saying that they only have the portables and
> mobiles?
>
> So in other words, Niagara doesn't need to put out a
> request for tender
> since they have enough portables, mobiles and
> quantars.
>
> What about the tender for the rest of the parts
> necessary to make this into
> a trunking system? It would probably cause a great
> debate among the
> taxpayers of Niagara Region to find that the Region
> went ahead and sole
> sourced equipment that will probably cost them just
> under a million dollars.
>
> Since Niagara has enough frequencies if you use the
> works and fire
> allocations, what about the money necessary to
> replace those repeaters with
> Quantars?
>
> --
> Steve <sdjones@isys.ca>
>
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:09:23 -0500
From: "Champ" <Champ@scanneraudio.com>
Subject: Ont. EMS Unit Designators
Does anyone have a list of the unit #'s for each ambulance in there
respective district. I'm looking at updating mine. It'd be nice to have
the Unit # and base where it's out of.
Here's my short list that I have. I don't know quite how accurate it is, I
know it needs to be updated
Arnprior 4202, 4290
Eganville 4131
Pembroke 4231-4232-4233-4234?
Petewawa 4237-4238
Deep River 4119
Denbigh 4117
Renfrew 4239-4240
I'm also looking for 4293, and 4283. There's also some running out of the
Kingston Dispatch and Ottawa Dispatch that'd I'd like too As well as The
Georgian Region Dispatch. Seeing as I can now listen to them on the UHF
Repeaters. 410.8375 using PL's 203.5, and 162.2 (186.2 is used for EMS and
Renfrew County Fire Dispatch Paging)
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