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There are 21 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. US attacks have begun
From: David Bate <davebate@scannerdesk.com>
2. Re: US attacks have begun
From: Chris Fortner <forts@rogers.com>
3. Re: US attacks have begun
From: David Bate <davebate@scannerdesk.com>
4. Re: US attacks have begun
From: Chris Fortner <forts@rogers.com>
5. Re: Reply to SJA505
From: Andrew Porrett <wap@ica.net>
6. Re: Bruce Pen frequs.
From: "John H" <sudsyjkh@softhome.net>
7. Re: Reply to SJA505
From: "Archibald Movse" <fiddlepuss@yahoo.com>
8. RE: Niagara Regional Police Freqs
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
9. RE: US attacks have begun
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
10. Re: Reply to SJA505
From: "Archibald Movse" <fiddlepuss@yahoo.com>
11. Re: Reply to SJA505
From: "Archibald Movse" <fiddlepuss@yahoo.com>
12. RE: Niagara Regional Police Freqs
From: "Greg Kulin" <gkulin@everreddy.com>
13. RE: Niagara Regional Police Freqs
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
14. RE: Niagara Regional Police Freqs
From: "Greg Kulin" <gkulin@everreddy.com>
15. Re: Niagara Regional Police Freqs
From: Steve Jones <sdjones@isys.ca>
16. RE: Niagara Regional Police Freqs
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
17. Re: Niagara Regional Police Freqs
From: "sjones2" <sjones2@mobile.rogers.com>
18. Re: Bruce Pen frequs.
From: "Eric" <ejb@cogeco.ca>
19. AOCC
From: "Jason Walker" <jason_walker@sympatico.ca>
20. Anti-war protest
From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com>
21. Re: Re: Bruce Pen frequs.
From: "John H" <sudsyjkh@softhome.net>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:52:36 -0500
From: David Bate <davebate@scannerdesk.com>
Subject: US attacks have begun
Non-stop EAMS on the shortwave. Sounds like they have begun their attacks on Iraq...
-- David Bate davebate@scannerdesk.com - www.ScannerDesk.com PGP KeyID (4096/1024): 0x9CAAA3AC E-mail scanned by Norton Antivirus 2003 Professional Mozilla Gecko Windows NT 5.1(XP) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:00:47 -0500 From: Chris Fortner <forts@rogers.com> Subject: Re: US attacks have begun At 09:52 PM 3/19/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Non-stop EAMS on the shortwave. Sounds like they have begun their attacks >on Iraq... What freq's are ya listening too?? Thanks! Chris Fortner London, Ontario Canada forts@rogers.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:08:33 -0500 From: David Bate <davebate@scannerdesk.com> Subject: Re: US attacks have begun On stardate 3/19/2003 22:00, Chris Fortner wrote the following: > At 09:52 PM 3/19/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > >>Non-stop EAMS on the shortwave. Sounds like they have begun their attacks >>on Iraq... > > > > What freq's are ya listening too?? 6.739 MHz but alot of the ones between 8992 to 13200 are active.... There has been a confirmed one missle firing, more that likely at a primary target, but problably testing Iraqi response... The Prez is on TV at 10:15 probably to announce that the game is in motion... -- David Bate davebate@scannerdesk.com - www.ScannerDesk.com PGP KeyID (4096/1024): 0x9CAAA3AC E-mail scanned by Norton Antivirus 2003 Professional Mozilla Gecko Windows NT 5.1(XP) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:11:16 -0500 From: Chris Fortner <forts@rogers.com> Subject: Re: US attacks have begun >6.739 MHz but alot of the ones between 8992 to 13200 are active.... Thanks! I'll fire up my receiver and see what I can find........ Chris Fortner London, Ontario Canada forts@rogers.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:30:24 -0500 From: Andrew Porrett <wap@ica.net> Subject: Re: Reply to SJA505 At 09:12 PM 3/19/03 -0000, Archibald Movse wrote: >As I said, I'd also like to pick up the international broadcast such >as BBC World Service. I am still trying to figure out why I can't >pick up diddly on HF, though. I can't even pick up truckers on CB >Channel 19 -- and I'm maybe 3 km from the 401! > >It probably doesn't help that I'm inside a rebar-laced concrete >apartment building, but still! > >I suppose I could try running a wire out the window. Optimum signal reception at CB frequencies and up requires band-specific antennas. A multiband Rat Shack magmount will generally be 6 to 10 dB worse, depending on the band. Duckies are generally very bad below VHF, but do fairly well at 800+. For HF reception, use an outdoor longwire antenna (random length should be OK). Bring the signal to your receiver through an impedance matcher and 50 or 75 ohm coax. See http://usa.shortwavestore.com/longwire-impedance-matcher.html for more info. With an impedance matcher, HF reception will go from diddly to dazzling. Without it, you're wasting your money on the R2. ...Andy ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:36:20 -0500 From: "John H" <sudsyjkh@softhome.net> Subject: Re: Bruce Pen frequs. ambulance: 155.9700 fire: 153.8600 These are used all through Bruce county here. -John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric" <ejb@cogeco.ca> To: <scanont@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 8:51 PM Subject: [Scanont] Bruce Pen frequs. > I might be going up to a cottage on the Bruce, Ferndale/Lions Head > area. Would anyone have good frequnecies to scam while up there. > > AMB/FDP. > > Which OPP towers do I monitor for there and the ride up 9HWY 6 from > Ham). > > > All help appreciated. > > Eric > > > > > Looking for trunked radio information? > Try http://www.trunkedradio.net. > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 05:11:55 -0000 From: "Archibald Movse" <fiddlepuss@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Reply to SJA505 --- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Fenech" <mfenech@s...> wrote: > I owned an R2 and now have the similar R5. The > supplied antenna is awful on HF. I've noticed this! > A short piece of wire thrown on the floor will > work wonders. I've noticed this, too! > The radio is quite sensitive on HF but > has very wide selectivity. A station on 6135 > KHz will also be clearly audible on 6130 and > 6140. Yup. I was quite surprised at the poor selectivity. The last receiver I owned that picked up those ranges (about 20 years ago) was a Yaesu FRG-7. Now THAT had some decent selectivity, but the IC- R2 really does run things together at 6.XXX Mhz. > The standard antenna is also a poor performer > on the top end of the VHF-Hi band (162-174 MHz) > getting worse as the frequency goes up. Good to know this. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 01:59:44 -0500 From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca> Subject: RE: Niagara Regional Police Freqs No.I'm not talking about that. When Niagara was considering going with Bell, Niagara bought all their own portables and mobiles. Simply put: September 14th, 2001 -Niagara approves an agreement to use the new FleetNet system for Niagara Regional Police, Works Departments and the Region's Fire Departments. http://www.regional.niagara.on.ca/media/2000/sep14-00.html http://www.regional.niagara.on.ca/media/2000/sep14a00.html September 26, 2001 - Niagara and Bell enter into a contract on above topic. http://www.regional.niagara.on.ca/media/2000/sep26-00.html September 21, 2001, Bell and Niagara mutually terminated their contract for the Niagara Voice Radio Project http://www.regional.niagara.on.ca/media/2001/september/sep24-01.shtml I can't find the release on the region's website, but I have seen something in paper saying that Niagara and Motorola have entered into an agreement to provide a digital, encrypted, Trunked radio system over the next 2 years to incorporate, Police, Fire and regional works. I've emailed my contact at the region requesting a copy of this, and will post it when I find it. As for repeaters and the like. BMR had set up 2 additional sites in Niagara for the FleetNet system in hopes the police would opt for the system. These sites have since been purchased by Niagara, and used for it's new digital system. As a side note, I found this: http://www.regional.niagara.on.ca/media/2003/february/feb27-03.shtml It's the proof that ambulance dispatch will be coming back to Niagara, where it belongs. ----- Mike Iszak, VE3XLS RCC College of Technology 2000 Steeles Avenue West Concord (Toronto), Ontario L4K 4N1 416.721.6698 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 02:00:17 -0500 From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca> Subject: RE: US attacks have begun What is an "EAMS"? M ----- Mike Iszak, VE3XLS RCC College of Technology 2000 Steeles Avenue West Concord (Toronto), Ontario L4K 4N1 416.721.6698 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:11:09 -0000 From: "Archibald Movse" <fiddlepuss@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Reply to SJA505 --- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, "Len G. Carpenter" <Len.C@s...> wrote: > Well lets see a 1/4 wave at cb frequency > is 9 feet Yup. 27.000 MHz is bang on 104 inches, which is indeed about 9 feet (8.667 to be exact). > and you have what a 3 or 4 inch antenna > on the scanner? Good point! Well, I made myself a wire 104 inches long and stuck that in the center part of the SMA connector. I programmed an "edge scan" to check from 26.965 to 27.405 (the 40 CB channels) but didn't hear any voice after scanning for 5 minutes. I guess I was impatient, but I have not yet figured out how to get the IC-R2 to do an "edge scan" while excluding frequencies in the range that are noisy. Also, I suppose I shouldn't expect TOO much message traffic from the truckers at 1:00 AM. > HF have you tried any of the local am > radio stations? Stand by the window for > this stuff and at HF frequencies you > are looking at a LONG Antenna Uh-huh! CFRB Talk Radio is 1010 KHz ... so a quarter-wave antenna would be an ungainly 231.68 feet long! Not impossible to make, though: I have a spool of 6-conductor solid-core phone wire. So I just have to cut off 39 feet of the stuff and then connect the ends alternately! So that would get the LENGTH right. However, I'm sure that with my limited knowledge I'm overlooking some important things in antenna design, such as doing something with the ground on the SMA connector, dealing with impedance issues, and all kinds of other things I know NOTHING about! I have no objection to making my own antennae in this fashion, but before I start measuring and soldering, I'd better ask if I'm even making sense, here! Oh, and I can't exactly mount a huge antenna outside on my apartment's balcony. My landlord might find it a bit odd. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:20:25 -0000 From: "Archibald Movse" <fiddlepuss@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Reply to SJA505 --- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Porrett <wap@i...> wrote: > [snip] > Duckies are generally very bad below VHF, > but do fairly well at 800+. That's what I'm seeing, all right! > For HF reception, use an outdoor longwire > antenna (random length should be OK). Bring > the signal to your receiver through an > impedance matcher and 50 or 75 ohm coax. > See > > http://usa.shortwavestore.com/longwire-impedance-matcher.html > > for more info. With an impedance matcher, > HF reception will go from diddly to dazzling. > Without it, you're wasting your money on the R2. Hey, half the fun is just messing around with radios -- something I haven't done for 20 years. I've got a very long wire going out my window now, but I've just been sticking the end of the wire into the SMA connector! No coax, no impedance matcher -- nothing! My results have been better than the duckie (which was not hard to improve upon, since it produced NO results). I picked up international broadcasts from China and (I think) Israel, as well as (finally!) the BBC World Service. However, it's not terribly clear. Y'know, I still have lots of stuff left over from 20 years ago. I've got potentiometers, switches, coax connectors, capacitors, resistors etc. Is there any way for me to BUILD an impedance matcher and/or a longwire antenna tuner? I'm constitutionally averse to spending money when I can build the thing myself. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 05:52:00 -0500 From: "Greg Kulin" <gkulin@everreddy.com> Subject: RE: Niagara Regional Police Freqs What about frequency coordination? That end of the province is pretty congested (RF and traffic wise) They would need to get coordination from two different national governments as they set up the new sites. Add into this, the bottom end of the VHF hi band is used by the US military, so now you have two different agencies involved by one government. (NTIA and FCC) Glad I will not have to do the paperwork on this one. G ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 06:29:19 -0500 From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca> Subject: RE: Niagara Regional Police Freqs Why? They already have all the frequencies they need. Just off the top of my head. 10 for police 5 or 6 for fire 3 or 4 for Works That's almost 20 frequencies ALREADY assigned to them. M ----- Mike Iszak, VE3XLS RCC College of Technology 2000 Steeles Avenue West Concord (Toronto), Ontario L4K 4N1 416.721.6698 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 06:47:54 -0500 From: "Greg Kulin" <gkulin@everreddy.com> Subject: RE: Niagara Regional Police Freqs Bear with my lack of knowledge of Niagara Falls street geography. Are all the frequencies which would be used for the trunking site in Niagara Falls at the same site? Are they going to be using the same site? Same ERP? Lets say the Works department's site is located at the north end of town next to the QEW, but the police site is located at the Skylon Tower. If you just move the works repeater to this site, it will no doubt increase the range. Now lets say the FCC has a user down in the north end of the Finger Lakes, on the same freq. There may be a chance of interference. As for the ERP, remember the NRPS would probably want (and need) better coverage than a works employee. Therefore a more efficient antenna system would be necessary. Grge -----Original Message----- From: Mike Iszak [mailto:mike@warpzone.ca] Sent: Thu 20 Mar 03 06:29 To: scanont@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Scanont] Niagara Regional Police Freqs Why? They already have all the frequencies they need. Just off the top of my head. 10 for police 5 or 6 for fire 3 or 4 for Works That's almost 20 frequencies ALREADY assigned to them. M ----- Mike Iszak, VE3XLS RCC College of Technology 2000 Steeles Avenue West Concord (Toronto), Ontario L4K 4N1 416.721.6698 Looking for trunked radio information? Try http://www.trunkedradio.net. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:02:39 -0500 From: Steve Jones <sdjones@isys.ca> Subject: Re: Niagara Regional Police Freqs on 3/20/03 1:59 AM, Mike Iszak at mike@warpzone.ca wrote: > No.I'm not talking about that. > > When Niagara was considering going with Bell, Niagara bought all their > own portables and mobiles. And from earlier: > What they did was buy the equipment for the Bell system outright, then > when that deal fell through, they started upgrading their exsisting > system. > So, radio-wise, everything is ready to go. They just need to get > everyone else on the system first. And from even earlier: > There's no need for a request for tender, they already own all the > equipment. > Their portables are all XTS3000 and the mobiles are all ASTRO Spectras, > and the repeaters are all Quantars. So you've gone from saying that Niagara has all the equipment necessary to saying that they only have the portables and mobiles? So in other words, Niagara doesn't need to put out a request for tender since they have enough portables, mobiles and quantars. What about the tender for the rest of the parts necessary to make this into a trunking system? It would probably cause a great debate among the taxpayers of Niagara Region to find that the Region went ahead and sole sourced equipment that will probably cost them just under a million dollars. Since Niagara has enough frequencies if you use the works and fire allocations, what about the money necessary to replace those repeaters with Quantars? -- Steve <sdjones@isys.ca> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:39:38 -0500 From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca> Subject: RE: Niagara Regional Police Freqs For the present time, only the police will be on the new digital Trunked system, because fire departments are very much city-run, and the works department just can't justify that kind of $$, right now. All they would have to do is set the quantar repeaters ALREADY IN PLACE (8 of them) to trunking controllers, a feature already built in. As for the request for tender, this is totally un-necessary, as they have already entered into a deal with Motorola to provide, install and maintain the system. What would the tender be for? Any new equipment would be purchased through an already exsisting deal with Motorola. M ----- Mike Iszak, VE3XLS RCC College of Technology 2000 Steeles Avenue West Concord (Toronto), Ontario L4K 4N1 416.721.6698 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:54:45 -0400 From: "sjones2" <sjones2@mobile.rogers.com> Subject: Re: Niagara Regional Police Freqs Perhaps i should start off by asking how many sites will NRPS have? If you have 3 sites then those 8 Quantars won't go very far. I think NRPS currently have 7 sites. With one Quantar per frequency, you don't have anything left over after the control channel. The current Quantars do have the intellirepeater feature but you're still missing the big picture. To have any sort of wide area coverage system with astro, it must be set up as Smartzone. This means you need a zone controller. You can set it up as simulcast like Peel's or single site such as Hamilton's intel system. Those systems both support astro and are setup as smartzone even though they don't use the Smartzone features. As for using the works department frequencies, I hope they are below 162Mhz. Astro spectras in thelowsplit model won't go below that. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 20:21:39 -0000 From: "Eric" <ejb@cogeco.ca> Subject: Re: Bruce Pen frequs. Thanks Mike. Much appreciated Eric ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:03:14 -0500 From: "Jason Walker" <jason_walker@sympatico.ca> Subject: AOCC Apparently both Peel Police and Mississauga Fire have a speaker in their Communications which is connected to the AOCC at the Airport, and whenever there is a 1C or so on, the AOCC broadcasts it over the speakers into Communications. Does anyone know if this would just be the Airport Fire dispatch channel?? ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:15:03 -0500 From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com> Subject: Anti-war protest Anti-war crybabies are protesting again. Spare Talkgroup 3 (TPS Channel 73): 035 hex, 848 dec Not all that interesting, except for all the accidental Emergency buttons being pressed.... ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:10:41 -0500 From: "John H" <sudsyjkh@softhome.net> Subject: Re: Re: Bruce Pen frequs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Ciupa" <mciupa@excite.com> To: <scanont@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:51 PM Subject: [Scanont] Re: Bruce Pen frequs. > --- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <ejb@c...> wrote: > > I might be going up to a cottage on the Bruce, Ferndale/Lions Head > > area. Would anyone have good frequnecies to scam while up there. > > > > AMB/FDP. > > Eric > > Eric try these: AMB 155.970 GREY/BRUCE > FDP 153.260 WIARTON > FDP 154.520 WIARTON These FDP freques are outdated now or are seldomly used sinse they have moved to the bruce county wide channel 153.8600 > HAM RPTR 146.895 LION'S HEAD(VE3 GBT) > > > > > > Looking for trunked radio information? > Try http://www.trunkedradio.net. > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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