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Date: Thu Mar 13 2003 - 04:26:02 EST
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There are 15 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Meanwhile in Orono
From: "Mike Ciupa" <mciupa@excite.com>
2. Re: Meanwhile in Orono
From: "Mike C Century" <mikec@centuryradio.on.ca>
3. Re: Meanwhile in Orono
From: "Colin and Pat Webster" <colpatw@sympatico.ca>
4. Re: Meanwhile in Orono
From: "Mike Ciupa" <mciupa@excite.com>
5. Fire in St. Catharines today
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
6. Re: Fire in St. Catharines today
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
7. Re: Fire in St. Catharines today
From: "dave_scan1" <dharris@playground.net>
8. RE: Fire in St. Catharines Today
From: "frodagirl" <queenfroda@sympatico.ca>
9. RE: Fire in St. Catharines today
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
10. Re: Fire in St. Catharines today
From: Steve Jones <sdjones@isys.ca>
11. Re: Re: Fire in St. Catharines today
From: Steve Jones <s.jones@rogers.com>
12. Re: Re: Fire in St. Catharines today
From: Roy Wick <rwick@interlog.com>
13. Re: Fire in St. Catharines today
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
14. Re: Re: Fire in St. Catharines today
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
15. Digital Scanner and frequencies
From: Zach Samson <phillyflyers50@comcast.net>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:53:24 -0000
From: "Mike Ciupa" <mciupa@excite.com>
Subject: Meanwhile in Orono
Yesterday I monitored activity on the following frequencies:
141.145-unlisted
141.950
141.360 OPP twr 5A
141.675
141.720 OPP twr 5B
141.945
142.095
142.170
142.200-unlisted
142.380
142.400
142.440
142.500
142.590
142.630
142.815
142.860
142.890
142.905
142.920
143.100
143.145
143.245-unlisted
143.335
143.500-unlisted
143.640
143.655-unlisted
143.775
143.800-unlisted
Also @ the same time a fire @ Dom's Auto Parts had fire busy
on 153.125. Other fire freq. heard were 154.555, 867.300 &867.800
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:31:47 -0500
From: "Mike C Century" <mikec@centuryradio.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Meanwhile in Orono
Quick question! the 867 mhz. freq's you mentioned at the end, are they simplex or part of a trunk group.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Ciupa
To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:53 AM
Subject: [Scanont] Meanwhile in Orono
Yesterday I monitored activity on the following frequencies:
141.145-unlisted
141.950
141.360 OPP twr 5A
141.675
141.720 OPP twr 5B
141.945
142.095
142.170
142.200-unlisted
142.380
142.400
142.440
142.500
142.590
142.630
142.815
142.860
142.890
142.905
142.920
143.100
143.145
143.245-unlisted
143.335
143.500-unlisted
143.640
143.655-unlisted
143.775
143.800-unlisted
Also @ the same time a fire @ Dom's Auto Parts had fire busy
on 153.125. Other fire freq. heard were 154.555, 867.300 &867.800
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:37:32 -0500
From: "Colin and Pat Webster" <colpatw@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Meanwhile in Orono
Mike:
Thank you. I will have you as a 'keeper'.
May see you in Grand Lodge in July.
CW
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike C Century
To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Scanont] Meanwhile in Orono
Quick question! the 867 mhz. freq's you mentioned at the end, are they simplex or part of a trunk group.
Mike
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:17:07 -0000
From: "Mike Ciupa" <mciupa@excite.com>
Subject: Re: Meanwhile in Orono
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, "Mike C Century" <mikec@c...> wrote:
> Quick question! the 867 mhz. freq's you mentioned at the end, are
they simplex or part of a trunk group.
> Mike
Other fire freq. heard were 154.555, 867.300 &867.800
They are part of the Durham Region Trunk site.
>M.Ciupa
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:02:35 -0500
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
Subject: Fire in St. Catharines today
Hey all.
I was listening to 155.445 (XJI-81 St Catharines Fire Control) today,
when I heard a dispatch for a home explosion in the city (was a
spectacular fire to see too...). Anyway, they said "all fireground
units switch to channel 2", which, in the past has been the OFM
frequency of 154.070.
Anyway, I switched to this, and heard APCO digital audio.
Does anyone know if the fire departments in Niagara are all considering
going digital, or was it just a strange coincidence?
M
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Mike Iszak, VE3XLS
RCC College of Technology
2000 Steeles Avenue West
Concord (Toronto), Ontario
L4K 4N1
416.721.6698
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:37:10 -0500
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Fire in St. Catharines today
Fort Erie will not be going digital or going to the new system
Steve
> Hey all.
>
> I was listening to 155.445 (XJI-81 St Catharines Fire Control) today,
> when I heard a dispatch for a home explosion in the city (was a
> spectacular fire to see too...). Anyway, they said "all fireground
> units switch to channel 2", which, in the past has been the OFM
> frequency of 154.070.
>
> Anyway, I switched to this, and heard APCO digital audio.
>
> Does anyone know if the fire departments in Niagara are all considering
> going digital, or was it just a strange coincidence?
>
>
> M
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:52:46 -0000
From: "dave_scan1" <dharris@playground.net>
Subject: Re: Fire in St. Catharines today
> Anyway, I switched to this, and heard APCO digital audio.
>
> Does anyone know if the fire departments in Niagara are all
considering
> going digital, or was it just a strange coincidence?
>
>
> M
>
I've heard of the Ontario Fire Marshall using DVP on that
channel for sensitive things like arson investigation. Was it
actually digital audio sounding, or more like
white noise? In any event they were most likely talking to
the OFM.
Dave
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:23:47 -0000
From: "frodagirl" <queenfroda@sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: Fire in St. Catharines Today
I'm new to this group but not to scanning - I've been doing it for
close to 10 years.
I'm on my 3rd scanner (Radio Shack Pro 67 200 Channel model)and I was
really dissapointed when the NRPS went digital. Mind you, between
the ambulance, fire, air, taxi and bus traffic in the region, my
scanner still keeps me informed even though I missed that fire
today. I did see it on Global News, though.
Are the police frequencies 406.6625 & 406.7125 still active?
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:37:59 -0500
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
Subject: RE: Fire in St. Catharines today
Who dispatches Fort Erie?
It's my understanding, from a dispatcher in St. Catharines, that
everybody they dispatch (Port Colborne, Wainfleet, Welland, Thorold,
Pelham, Lincoln and Niagara-on-the-Lake) will be going to the new
region-wide Trunked system (whenever it goes on-line). Niagara Falls
recently spend a rather nice chunk of change upgrading their dispatch
center, so I highly doubt they will be upgrading their radios any time
soon, so I suspect they will stay analog, conventional for awhile.I
guess this includes Fort Erie as well.
I'd have to question why they would want digital and/or trunking around
here anyway. Certainly, they need more RF channels though.
Here's an idea:
These cities have their own frequencies already:
Niagara Falls (150.5450)
St. Catharines (155.4450)
Fort Erie (148.5400 I think)
Port Colborne, Welland, Wainfleet, Thorold and Pelham share 153.8000.
West Lincoln, Lincoln and Niagara On The Lake share 153.7700.
Why not pool all those frequencies together, create something like this:
(The frequencies are just ideas.)
DISPATCH/OPERATIONS - 153.8000
OFM - 154.0700
TAC 1 - 153.7700
TAC 2 - 155.4450
TAC 3 - 150.5450
TAC 4 - 148.5400
TAC 5 - 153.8300
TAC 6 - 155.1900
All these frequencies currently exist as it is today, so no new licenses
would need to be done.
This way, it wouldn't matter where in the region a truck was, it would
all be a common radio system. As such, because they all use the same
dispatch channel, if a truck from, say, Welland, was going through
Thorold and a call went out, if they were close, they could
first-respond.
I suppose this idea would work MUCH better if the Fire Department became
regionalized, but I think that's not very far down the road, especially
with a new region-wide system.
As for Niagara Falls running their own dispatch, I remember that being
the thorn in the plan for a central dispatch for police, fire and
ambulance not that long ago. Well, It would be for the greater good to
create a central comm.. center for police, fire, ambulance, works, etc.
basically anything radio-related in Niagara.
But, as for digital..forget it.
Trunking would be a good idea, but it's my personal opinion that
trunking has no place life-critical situations, especially where simplex
would work better, such as on a fire-ground.
M
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Mike Iszak, VE3XLS
RCC College of Technology
2000 Steeles Avenue West
Concord (Toronto), Ontario
L4K 4N1
416.721.6698
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:14:10 -0500
From: Steve Jones <sdjones@isys.ca>
Subject: Re: Fire in St. Catharines today
on 3/12/03 5:02 PM, Mike Iszak at mike@warpzone.ca wrote:
> Anyway, I switched to this, and heard APCO digital audio.
>
> Does anyone know if the fire departments in Niagara are all considering
> going digital, or was it just a strange coincidence?
Same situation as OPC Common which was discussed last month.
All fire departments with full time dispatch maintain a watch on this
frequency. They all run analog with no ctcss.
If a department was to switch to apco25 on this frequency, the outcries from
the neighbouring departments who were forced to listen to the digital noise
would be tremendous. Dispatchers would be muting the audio on the OFM
channel and nobody would be able to request mutual aide on it.
Don't know what you heard but chances are it wasn't actually on OFM.
-- Steve <sdjones@isys.ca> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:15:57 -0500 From: Steve Jones <s.jones@rogers.com> Subject: Re: Re: Fire in St. Catharines today on 3/12/03 6:52 PM, dave_scan1 at dharris@playground.net wrote: > I've heard of the Ontario Fire Marshall using DVP on that > channel for sensitive things like arson investigation. Was it > actually digital audio sounding, or more like > white noise? In any event they were most likely talking to > the OFM. The Fire Marshall's office had dvp at one point but only on OFM Ch. 2 which was/is 154.190mhz. I still maintain that what Mike heard probably wasn't supposed to be on 154.070. Not much sense using an oddball ctcss tone or modulation format on a common channel. -- Steve <s.jones@rogers.com> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:16:51 -0500 From: Roy Wick <rwick@interlog.com> Subject: Re: Re: Fire in St. Catharines today I agree with your point and bow to your expertise Steve. I saw a similar thread about digital showing up on prov com of 142.770. It could be someone is experiencing the same thing I am. Every Tues and Fri morning I pass by the 401 and Hurontario (HWY 10) interchange and without fail I receive digital coms on the prov com frequency but only in that specific area. I've come to conclude the front end of my radio (Relm handheld) is being blasted with some form of cross channel. It is so strong it is hard to tell if it is indeed cross channel but then again with it being digital it adds complications of its own to track it down, At 07:15 PM 03/12/2003 -0500, Steve Jones wrote: >on 3/12/03 6:52 PM, dave_scan1 at dharris@playground.net wrote: > > I've heard of the Ontario Fire Marshall using DVP on that > > channel for sensitive things like arson investigation. Was it > >The Fire Marshall's office had dvp at one point but only on OFM Ch. 2 which >was/is 154.190mhz. >I still maintain that what Mike heard probably wasn't supposed to be on >154.070. Not much sense using an oddball ctcss tone or modulation format on >a common channel. >Steve <s.jones@rogers.com> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:08:48 -0500 From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Fire in St. Catharines today St. Catharines dispatches Fort Erie, I know the fire Chief in Fort Erie personally and only asked him a couple of months ago if the Fort Erie Fire Department would be going to the new regional system and he assured me Fort Erie Fire Department will not, He pointed out to me not to long ago they changed there radio system to 148.5400 Mhz, they built a very large new radio tower at the new town hall, added a new repeater, bought all new radios and they are very happy with this system. also the chief is also not going to town council for any money to change the radio system. It really depends on the city and or town if they want to opt-into the new regional system or not. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca> To: <scanont@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 6:37 PM Subject: RE: [Scanont] Fire in St. Catharines today > Who dispatches Fort Erie? > > It's my understanding, from a dispatcher in St. Catharines, that > everybody they dispatch (Port Colborne, Wainfleet, Welland, Thorold, > Pelham, Lincoln and Niagara-on-the-Lake) will be going to the new > region-wide Trunked system (whenever it goes on-line). Niagara Falls > recently spend a rather nice chunk of change upgrading their dispatch > center, so I highly doubt they will be upgrading their radios any time > soon, so I suspect they will stay analog, conventional for awhile.I > guess this includes Fort Erie as well. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:25:45 -0500 From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com> Subject: Re: Re: Fire in St. Catharines today Then it must be the front end of many radios including my old PRO 34, a Uniden 895 and 245 as well as an ICOM 02AT. It was suggested earlier that digital was programmed for use on the freq in error and I would suspect that any interference complaints were/are dealt with internally by the service shop. That doesn't mean it still doesn't happen because I still continue to hear it on the OPC common freq albeit much less often. How about this scenario: City/regional police and OPP go digital long before the new Unidens are in the consumer market so some people with enough dough buy commercial radios to monitor however they can't resist the opportunity to play a little on the TX side. J. "Just watch me." Pierre Elliot Trudeau 1970 ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Wick To: scanont@yahoogroups.com ; scanont@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 20:16 PM Subject: Re: [Scanont] Re: Fire in St. Catharines today ....I've come to conclude the front end of my radio (Relm handheld) is being blasted with some form of cross channel. It is so strong it is hard to tell if it is indeed cross channel but then again with it being digital it adds complications of its own to track it down,..... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:48:03 -0500 From: Zach Samson <phillyflyers50@comcast.net> Subject: Digital Scanner and frequencies Hello, I am from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. I come to Canada in the summer (Lindsay and Buckhorn) I understand alot of radio communication is Ontario is now digital. I am allowed to bring a digital scanner into Canada? Do i need a license or permit? If so how do I obtain one? If anyone can give me a list of frequencies for Lindsay and Buckhorn and the surrounding area including police,fire,med, etc... I would greatly appreciate it. Are there any scanner books for those areas? Also can anyone tell me where i can find 10-codes for OPP? 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