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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Re: digital scanners
From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com>
2. Re: What's a Discriminator Tap?
From: "Len G. Carpenter" <Len.C@sympatico.ca>
3. Re: What's a Discriminator Tap?
From: "jets_1961 <jets1961@hotmail.com>" <jets1961@hotmail.com>
4. Toronto and Pro 92
From: "Rob" <rlkillins@sympatico.ca>
5. fire frequecies
From: "Jen <jenniferlawton1999@yahoo.ca>" <jenniferlawton1999@yahoo.ca>
6. Re: Re: digital scanners
From: Paul Schmidt <pschmidt@interlog.com>
7. Re: fire frequecies
From: "Mike Ciupa <mciupa@excite.com>" <mciupa@excite.com>
8. Re: Toronto and Pro 92
From: "jets_1961 <jets1961@hotmail.com>" <jets1961@hotmail.com>
9. Re: Re: fire frequecies
From: Steve Jones <s.jones@rogers.com>
10. Re: digital scanners
From: "jets_1961 <jets1961@hotmail.com>" <jets1961@hotmail.com>
11. FRS was digital scanners
From: "Marc Fitkin <marc022774@yahoo.com>" <marc022774@yahoo.com>
12. Re: Toronto and Pro 92
From: "jets_1961 <jets1961@hotmail.com>" <jets1961@hotmail.com>
13. Re: What's a Discriminator Tap?
From: Paul Schmidt <pschmidt@interlog.com>
14. Re: Re: Toronto and Pro 92
From: William Reid <williamr288@yahoo.ca>
15. Protest
From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com>
16. Re: FRS was digital scanners
From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com>
17. Re: What's a Discriminator Tap?
From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com>
18. Re: FRS was digital scanners
From: "Marc Fitkin <marc022774@yahoo.com>" <marc022774@yahoo.com>
19. Belleville Police freq's?
From: "Terry <vfr99_2001@yahoo.com>" <vfr99_2001@yahoo.com>
20. Re: Re: digital scanners
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
21. Re: fire frequecies
From: "Jen <jenniferlawton1999@yahoo.ca>" <jenniferlawton1999@yahoo.ca>
22. Re: Re: fire frequecies
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
23. Re: Re: fire frequecies
From: Steve Jones <s.jones@rogers.com>
24. Re: Belleville Police freq's?
From: jdoch@attglobal.net
25. RadioShacks digital scanner
From: "Mel" <robinson4724@rogers.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 05:58:04 -0500
From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Re: digital scanners
> Those of us who believe they are view it as our right to
> oversee/overlisten
> to the police and other agencies when they are communicating and do
> NOT need
> encryption [eg not a raid in the works] which is most of the time. We
> believe that we are their ultimate employers and the ones who pay their
> salaries!
But you aren't listening to what we are saying.
You are getting all worked up for absolutely no reason.
Everything I've seen from IC has been vague at best. THere has been*NO*
clear mandate on this issue, just rehashing and interpretation of
previous mandates on related but ultimately irrelevant issues.
I'm sure you know as well as anybody government takes time to do
things. Uniden is certainly not going to stand for a restriction of
what is ultimately going to be the industry standard of scanners in the
coming years. Palms are going to be greased to speed the process up and
you'll have your scanner - don't worry.
If you want one that badly, then drive down to the US and get one.
Until then, just sit and wait and stop fighting battles that haven't
even begun yet.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 20:42:48 -0500
From: "Len G. Carpenter" <Len.C@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: What's a Discriminator Tap?
More of a question is, why do you want it done if you don't know what it is
for?
Paul Schmidt wrote:
> File this under dumb question of the year, but what in Haddes is a
> Discriminator Tap?
>
> Okay more questions, related
>
> Can it be done to a Uniden BC860XLT, and anyone know how?
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:14:03 -0000
From: "jets_1961 <jets1961@hotmail.com>" <jets1961@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: What's a Discriminator Tap?
> More of a question is, why do you want it done if you don't know
what it is
> for?
>
> Paul Schmidt wrote:
>
> > File this under dumb question of the year, but what in Haddes is a
> > Discriminator Tap?
> >
> > Okay more questions, related
> >
> > Can it be done to a Uniden BC860XLT, and anyone know how?
> >
Paul,
A discriminator tap is a low level audio output of what you hear from
your speaker. It is also considered a clean and undistorted signal of
what a radio is receiving. It is used to feed audio in to devices
like a data slicer to decode the data channel of say a trunked system
(with correct software) or a pager. I could also be used to control a
tone board (CTCSS). The reason it's used is because the output from
the earphone jack is sometimes not clean enough to drive a circuit
like a slicer and or could over drive a similar circuit.
Joe
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 10:58:58 -0500
From: "Rob" <rlkillins@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Toronto and Pro 92
I have a Pro92 - does anyone have experience in programming in the Toronto Public Safety System to optimize performance and reduce space?
Can all four zones be programmed in one bank, or is it best to put each zone into it's own bank?
Also ... at one time Metro Police had lots of conventional 800 MHz freqs. Do they still use them?
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:56:11 -0000
From: "Jen <jenniferlawton1999@yahoo.ca>" <jenniferlawton1999@yahoo.ca>
Subject: fire frequecies
hi i'm new here and live just southwest of brrie. i have a new uniden
bc245xlt scanner and would like to listen to fire. can anyone tell me
the fire channels for dispatch and at the scene channels in simcoe
county? thx jen
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 10:54:57 -0500
From: Paul Schmidt <pschmidt@interlog.com>
Subject: Re: Re: digital scanners
On February 14, 2003 11:01 am, Bryan wrote:
> > Even in a smaller market like Canada, what company wants to
> > throw away over 90% of the potential sales? Figure that Uniden and
> > others
> > are probably lobbying IC to get this little problem fixed
>
> If big business got FRS legalized, a radio service that had the
> potential of walking on thousands of paying radio license holders just
> so mommy and daddy can talk to little Johnny at the playground (as well
> as allowing hundreds of people to press the damn call button endlessly,
> I think approving digital scanners is no small feat - especially when
> other companies other than Uniden get on board (GRE/Radio Shack have
> one in the works, and I believe AOR have a card for their radios)
Actually FRS has legitimate uses, for example when you have 4 family members
going to the same place, using 2 cars and an SUV, and they want to stay in
communication, so they can all pull over at the same gas station or Mickey
D's, it sure as heck is cheaper when your a mile apart then paying double
long distance on a cell phone to do the same thing. Besides when the radios
are close, you can pick them off with a scanner....
>
> Some people on here seem to be itching for a fight about it - and it
> does nothing but clutter the inbox. JUST RELAX EVERYONE! This kind of
> stuff doesn't happen overnight. People are going on and on about vague
> regulations and lack of response from IC - the whole purpose of
> Industry Canada isn't approving digital scanners. I'm sure with all the
> crap going on these days in the wide range of departments under IC,
> approving digital scanners is probably WAY DOWN on their list (we deal
> with IC at my work quite a bit).
That's one of the interesting things, IC does a lot, it's basically one end
of the interface between the federal government and business, so sure, it's
probably on the list, and some assistant to the deputy to the assistant to
the deputy to the secretary to the assistant to the deputy minister's
secretary is probably not answering their phone anymore because the scanner
makers are calling every 5 minutes to find out how far down the queue it
still is. Even when it gets to the top, if legislation needs to be changed,
add another year.
I always wondered why this isn't handled by the CRTC, since communications is
their prime purpose.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:42:14 -0000
From: "Mike Ciupa <mciupa@excite.com>" <mciupa@excite.com>
Subject: Re: fire frequecies
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, "Jen <jenniferlawton1999@y...>"
<jenniferlawton1999@y...> wrote:
can anyone tell me the fire channels for dispatch and at the scene
channels in simcoe
> county? thx jen
Try these: 153.980 Edgar
153.305 Essa
154.860 Innisfil
153.800 NewTecumseth
155.430 Oro/Medonte
154.370 Mutual Aid
142.215,142.395(digital) City of Barrie
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:00:47 -0000
From: "jets_1961 <jets1961@hotmail.com>" <jets1961@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Toronto and Pro 92
> I have a Pro92 - does anyone have experience in programming in the
Toronto Public Safety System to optimize performance and reduce space?
If you go to the pro92 yahoo group in the file section you will fin a
toronto.spg file. It is a bit outdated but it's a start. Also look at
http://www.pro-92.com/ I think you might find some there. Hey could
you send me your finished copy as I may be taking a trip to the
motherland soon. (Grew up in TO).
>
> Can all four zones be programmed in one bank, or is it best to put
each zone into it's own bank?
>
> Also ... at one time Metro Police had lots of conventional 800 MHz
freqs. Do they still use them?
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:01:41 -0500
From: Steve Jones <s.jones@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Re: fire frequecies
This best list would be at nf2g.com.
on 2/15/03 12:42 PM, Mike Ciupa <mciupa@excite.com> at mciupa@excite.com
wrote:
> Try these: 153.980 Edgar
Old Barrie volunteer frequency still used by Barrie FS. Edgar is in
Oro-Medonte's area.
> 153.305 Essa
> 154.860 Innisfil
> 153.800 NewTecumseth
> 155.430 Oro/Medonte
> 154.370 Mutual Aid
> 142.215,142.395(digital) City of Barrie
Add 158.235 for Adjala-Tosorontio/Rosemont
153.740 for Springwater
154.520 for Clearview
155.175 for Collingwood
154.890 for Wasaga Beach
159.465 for Tiny Township
154.130 for Honeywood
154.860 for Bradford (shared with Innisfil).
154.830 for Penetang
154.010/155.010 for Midland (anybody know why they have 2 frequencies?)
-- Steve <s.jones@rogers.com> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:03:25 -0000 From: "jets_1961 <jets1961@hotmail.com>" <jets1961@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: digital scanners > I always wondered why this isn't handled by the CRTC, since communications is their prime purpose. Please no keep them out of it, they are the one who say I cant whach HBO. (grin). ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:15:15 -0000 From: "Marc Fitkin <marc022774@yahoo.com>" <marc022774@yahoo.com> Subject: FRS was digital scanners > Actually FRS has legitimate uses, for example when you have 4 family members > going to the same place, using 2 cars and an SUV, and they want to stay in > communication, so they can all pull over at the same gas station or Mickey > D's, it sure as heck is cheaper when your a mile apart then paying double > long distance on a cell phone to do the same thing. Besides when the radios > are close, you can pick them off with a scanner.... I knew you would like it. FRS has been a lot of fun to play with but like the GRS (CB) you are going to run into problems with idiots and children who think they are toys. But the larger problem is that commercial business was allocated 462.5625 MhZ in the past and according to the Haruteq guide, there is a lot of allocation in the city of Toronto on FRS Ch. 1. This can create some problems with a lot of chatter. Also, FRS is being used by business as a cheap alternative communication. Marc ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:18:16 -0000 From: "jets_1961 <jets1961@hotmail.com>" <jets1961@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Toronto and Pro 92 Oh I forgot this you or someone you know who can solder will have to buil the cable at this page http://www.pro-92.com/pcifcableb.htm and get the software at this page http://www.starrsoft.com/freeware/win92/ Thanks, Joe ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:06:52 -0500 From: Paul Schmidt <pschmidt@interlog.com> Subject: Re: What's a Discriminator Tap? On February 14, 2003 08:42 pm, Len G. Carpenter wrote: > More of a question is, why do you want it done if you don't know what it is > for? Once I know what it is, and now I do, then how to do it would be the next logical question, the only useful purpose I can see is trunk tracking or digital, but then for trunking you would need to be able to tell the scanner what frequency to switch to, and I think that's beyond this particular scanner. As for digital, you would need additional pieces to tell it how to demodulate the signal, something like a modem, I wonder how many radio builders use a standard computer modem chip to do this. Then of course you would need to determine the protocols and figure out how to feed the result to a sound card to get the audio. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:28:49 -0500 (EST) From: William Reid <williamr288@yahoo.ca> Subject: Re: Re: Toronto and Pro 92 Heya, To my knowledge the only conventional freq's used are for simplex, otherwise they are on Motorola type II system. "jets_1961 <jets1961@hotmail.com>" <jets1961@hotmail.com> wrote: > I have a Pro92 - does anyone have experience in programming in the Toronto Public Safety System to optimize performance and reduce space? If you go to the pro92 yahoo group in the file section you will fin a toronto.spg file. It is a bit outdated but it's a start. Also look at http://www.pro-92.com/ I think you might find some there. Hey could you send me your finished copy as I may be taking a trip to the motherland soon. (Grew up in TO). > > Can all four zones be programmed in one bank, or is it best to put each zone into it's own bank? > > Also ... at one time Metro Police had lots of conventional 800 MHz freqs. Do they still use them? Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Looking for trunked radio information? Try http://www.trunkedradio.net. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! 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The protest just wrapped up their speakers, and they're just arriving at the American Consulate at University and Queen. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:52:16 -0500 From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com> Subject: Re: FRS was digital scanners > But the larger problem is that commercial business was allocated > 462.5625 MhZ in the past and according to the Haruteq guide, there is > a lot of allocation in the > city of Toronto on FRS Ch. 1. This can create some problems with a > lot of chatter. Also, FRS is being used by business as a cheap > alternative communication. Yeah... I hear a lot of business chatter on FRS #1 (legitimate users). PL tones and much more powerful transmitters than the half-watt toys usually do a good job in minimizing FRS interference. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:58:32 -0500 From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com> Subject: Re: What's a Discriminator Tap? > Once I know what it is, and now I do, then how to do it would be the > next > logical question, the only useful purpose I can see is trunk tracking > or > digital, but then for trunking you would need to be able to tell the > scanner > what frequency to switch to, and I think that's beyond this particular > scanner. Trunker's main job is to monitor and display the current status/users of a trunked radio system. If you have a comptuer-control capabale scanner, you can use Trunker to control it. In order to do this you need two scanners. One to feed Trunker the control channel (the one with the discriminator), and another to listen to the trunk system. The controlled scanner does not to be trunk-capable. The easiest way, of course, is to use a plain old trunked radio to monitor. > As for digital, you would need additional pieces to tell it how to > demodulate > the signal, something like a modem, I wonder how many radio builders > use a > standard computer modem chip to do this. Then of course you would > need to > determine the protocols and figure out how to feed the result to a > sound card > to get the audio. For this you need to use a Data Slicer - which is required for running pretty much anything digital. Most applications don't use a sound card - the data slicer plugs right into your computer's serial port. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 18 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:29:24 -0000 From: "Marc Fitkin <marc022774@yahoo.com>" <marc022774@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: FRS was digital scanners > Yeah... I hear a lot of business chatter on FRS #1 (legitimate users). > PL tones and much more powerful transmitters than the half-watt toys > usually do a good job in minimizing FRS interference. I take it Bryan, you are not a big fan of FRS. It is not as bad as CB where everyone is an idiot. However, that does not mean FRS will not degenerate into an idiot free-for-all. Marc ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 19 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:29:23 -0000 From: "Terry <vfr99_2001@yahoo.com>" <vfr99_2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Belleville Police freq's? Looking for the type of system and frequencies. Thx Terry ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 20 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:18:09 -0500 From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com> Subject: Re: Re: digital scanners Broadcast communications as in radio and television which is a different ballgame. The CRTC is also an independent body as opposed to IC which is a federal department. J. "Just watch me." Pierre Elliot Trudeau 1970 ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Schmidt To: scanont@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Scanont] Re: digital scanners ...I always wondered why this isn't handled by the CRTC, since communications is their prime purpose...... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 21 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:56:45 -0000 From: "Jen <jenniferlawton1999@yahoo.ca>" <jenniferlawton1999@yahoo.ca> Subject: Re: fire frequecies thx guys for all your help. jen --- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, Steve Jones <s.jones@r...> wrote: > This best list would be at nf2g.com. > > on 2/15/03 12:42 PM, Mike Ciupa <mciupa@e...> at mciupa@e... > wrote: > > > Try these: 153.980 Edgar > > Old Barrie volunteer frequency still used by Barrie FS. Edgar is in > Oro-Medonte's area. > > > 153.305 Essa > > 154.860 Innisfil > > 153.800 NewTecumseth > > 155.430 Oro/Medonte > > 154.370 Mutual Aid > > 142.215,142.395(digital) City of Barrie > > Add 158.235 for Adjala-Tosorontio/Rosemont > 153.740 for Springwater > 154.520 for Clearview > 155.175 for Collingwood > 154.890 for Wasaga Beach > 159.465 for Tiny Township > 154.130 for Honeywood > 154.860 for Bradford (shared with Innisfil). > 154.830 for Penetang > 154.010/155.010 for Midland (anybody know why they have 2 frequencies?) > > -- > Steve <s.jones@r...> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 22 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:31:21 -0500 From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com> Subject: Re: Re: fire frequecies I'll second that. There were a couple I was unaware of. Where is Honeywood? J. "Just watch me." Pierre Elliot Trudeau 1970 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jen <jenniferlawton1999@yahoo.ca> To: scanont@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 14:56 PM Subject: [Scanont] Re: fire frequecies thx guys for all your help. jen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 23 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:39:44 -0500 From: Steve Jones <s.jones@rogers.com> Subject: Re: Re: fire frequecies on 2/15/03 3:31 PM, radio at radio@slakeyourthirst.com wrote: > I'll second that. There were a couple I was unaware of. Where is Honeywood? Honeywood is just this side of Dufferin County on Dufferin Cty Rd 21. They border Tosorontio and Clearview. -- Steve <s.jones@rogers.com> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 24 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:48:52 -0500 From: jdoch@attglobal.net Subject: Re: Belleville Police freq's? At 02:29 PM 2/15/03 , you wrote: Looking for the type of system and frequencies. Terry, Where are you? I'm up in Thurlow. jd ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 25 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:15:57 -0500 From: "Mel" <robinson4724@rogers.com> Subject: RadioShacks digital scanner http://www.radioshack.com/searchsku.asp?find=940-1765 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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