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There are 5 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: digital scanners
From: "Wayne Wilkie <wwilkie3999@rogers.com>" <wwilkie3999@rogers.com>
2. Re: Re: digital scanners
From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com>
3. Re: RE: Discriminator Tap SC180B
From: Andrew Porrett <wap@ica.net>
4. Re: Re: Action required: LDUD-5JGLTY - INFO.IC Enquiry
From: rsh@idirect.com
5. Re: Re: Action required: LDUD-5JGLTY - INFO.IC Enquiry
From: Andrew Porrett <wap@ica.net>
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 04:29:26 -0000
From: "Wayne Wilkie <wwilkie3999@rogers.com>" <wwilkie3999@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: digital scanners
I too have been involved with scanners, marine vhf and other radio
comms for well over thirty years. Not having a ticket does not mean
that one cannot be a responsible, intelligent radio hobbyist.
Well said Randy!
I really am
getting tired of someone assuming that an amatuer is anymore
responsible, privileged or knowledgeable than me or any other
scanner hobbyist.
Sorry for this little rant but I keep reading this in various groups
and sites and it really makes me sick.
Randy Hylands
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 4:33:56 +0000
From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Re: digital scanners
> I too have been involved with scanners, marine vhf and
> other radio comms for well over thirty years. Not having > a ticket does not mean that one cannot be a responsible, > intelligent radio hobbyist. Well said Randy!
Alright alright alright. Before we wheel out the good ole' "Scanont Wagon of Overreaction", why don't we see what happens before we unleash our collective rage against Industry Canada.
I'm sure that we'll all get our chance to piss $1500 away for this new scanner soon enough... don't worry everyone.
Big business certainly isn't going to stand for such a senseless restriction as "only Hams can buy it".
IC didn't legalize FRS because it warmed their hearts. Think about that.
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Bryan C. Passifume, VE3HBD
Cell: (905) 867-2585
bryanpass@rogers.com
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:45:20 -0500
From: Andrew Porrett <wap@ica.net>
Subject: Re: RE: Discriminator Tap SC180B
At 04:18 AM 2/14/03 +0000, Bryan wrote:
>It'll be feeding a data slicer... my laptop is sans soundcard.
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>So any capacitor will do, eh?
Not _any_ cap; any non-electrolytic in the 0.1 to 0.22uF range...
> Thats good.. I have no clue where even to get a tantalum capacitor (i've
long been a Radio Shack shopper for my electronic stuff (grin))
Active Surplus or Supremetronic (sp?) on Queen.
>I assume a capacitor is required....
Uh huh. (Unless the data slicer already has one)
...Andy
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:36:06 -0500
From: rsh@idirect.com
Subject: Re: Re: Action required: LDUD-5JGLTY - INFO.IC Enquiry
I too have been communicating directly with the government of Canada, and
find their statement deliberately VAGUE on the question of whether a scanner
capable of receiving digital ONLY WHEN MODIFIED via the insertion of a
separate card IS or IS NOT an Analogue scanner. I cannot get a STRAIGHT
answer out of them. To claim that the 250D is NOT analogue is plain WRONG
as it is analogue. It CANNOT be digital without modification, earlier
scanners can also become digital vehicles - just via a very different method
and not using hardware supplied by the scanner's manufacturer.
Also, IC keep referring to their INTERNAL document IPC 2-1-04, which is from
the mid 1990s. It does NOT tell anyone how to obtain a license. There is
no form or format for an application.
I have emailed them asking for a license and given them a reason, and have
NOT yet heard back. I suspect I will not hear back for a while.
Therefor the answer supplied to the question is not going to be the last
reply from the government of Canada about digital scanners. It is, if in
fact, the same type of response I got last NOVEMBER when I was asking
questions.
Read IPC 20-1-04 (it is a .pdf file that I can supply or you can download
from the IC web site) and it basically says you must be a HAM, or be in law
enforcement, EMS or Fire services where you can prove the public need for a
license or we may not give you one.
There is nothing about how a scannerist can get a license, nor anything
about the hobbyist. As I have NO interest in getting a HAM license and
setting up a broadcast facility in my 12th floor condo unit, I fail to see
how I can ever meet any of the 'conditions' they list in IPC 2-1-04 except
to claim that I am performing a public service when I listen to police,
fire, and EMS and keep them on the up and up. That in fact IS my claim. It
is legitimate, and is in fact the reason no such license is needed in the
US. The police do NOT have a right to hide from the public anything and
everything they communicate. Some things, yes, but everything - NO...
Therefore the position taken by IC is NOT a valid postilion from the view of
this member of the public, and IPC 2-1-04, which is an INTERNAL paper, is
not the final answer to the issue. Eventually they will have to properly
address the whole question, and stop hiding behind a position taken 8 years
ago when the whole digital world was very different.
RSH
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:26:26 -0500, "Steve St. Denis"
<steve.st@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>This is the last reply from the government of Canada about digital
>scanners, This reply and the other reply I posted should clear up what you
>will need to know if you want to buy one of these digital scanners in
>Canada. It really is pretty strait forward if you listen to what they are
>saying. If you need some one to explain it to you then just send an e-mail
>to the government and then you will not get 15 different interpretations.
>from people on this list, I think this should clear this up once and for
>all.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:59:11 -0500
From: Andrew Porrett <wap@ica.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Action required: LDUD-5JGLTY - INFO.IC Enquiry
At 12:36 AM 2/14/03 -0500, rsh@idirect.com wrote:
<big snip>
What's the big deal? Just go buy the scanner and enjoy quietly.
If IC relaxes the rules, there will be thousands of them sold and that will
give certain agencies a reason to encrypt. Then you'll really have
something to bitch about.
...Andy
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