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Date: Tue Feb 11 2003 - 06:15:27 EST
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There are 18 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Behind the times was weather radio in Montreal
From: "Eric <ejb@cogeco.ca>" <ejb@cogeco.ca>
2. Re: Re: Behind the times was weather radio in Montreal
From: "sjones2" <sjones2@mobile.rogers.com>
3. Re: Behind the times was weather radio in Montreal
From: "Marc Fitkin <marc022774@yahoo.com>" <marc022774@yahoo.com>
4. Brantford P.S
From: "cabbie0000 <cabbie0000@yahoo.ca>" <cabbie0000@yahoo.ca>
5. Ontario Fire Marshalls
From: "Mike Ciupa <mciupa@excite.com>" <mciupa@excite.com>
6. Re: Ontario Fire Marshalls
From: <kevin@warpzone.ca>
7. Re: Ontario Fire Marshalls
From: absolute2way@aol.com
8. Re: Ontario Fire Marshalls
From: "Michael Fenech" <mfenech@sympatico.ca>
9. re-digital scanners in Canada
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
10. Re: Ontario Fire Marshalls
From: "Mike Ciupa <mciupa@excite.com>" <mciupa@excite.com>
11. Re: re-digital scanners in Canada
From: "Peter K. Hodgson <va3pkh@rac.ca>" <va3pkh@rac.ca>
12. Re: re-digital scanners in Canada
From: "va3gpc <va3gpc@yahoo.ca>" <va3gpc@yahoo.ca>
13. Re: Re: re-digital scanners in Canada
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
14. digital scanners
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
15. Re: digital scanners
From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com>
16. Re: Ontario Fire Marshalls
From: Chris Fortner <forts@rogers.com>
17. Application for digital scanner.
From: "jets_1961 <jets1961@hotmail.com>" <jets1961@hotmail.com>
18. Hamilton, Ontario Scanner Frequencies
From: "nancyschmancy21 <nancyschmancy21@yahoo.com>" <nancyschmancy21@yahoo.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:56:09 -0000
From: "Eric <ejb@cogeco.ca>" <ejb@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: Behind the times was weather radio in Montreal
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Fitkin <marc022774@y...>"
<marc022774@y...> wrote:
> I am just going to deal with the weather radio issue. The fact
that
> NOAA NWS has NEXRAD, SAME (FIPS) and other nice stuff, is well
> fortunate for them.
>
> I guess I am one of the few who are very passionate about weather
and
> severe weather dissemination. I am also passionate about getting
the
> message out that severe weather, in all its forms, not just severe
> thunderstorms, tornadoes et al are dangerous and you need to
know.
> Former Vice President Al Gore said weather radios should be as
common
> as smoke detectors. He has a point. But there are several
problems
> facing our weather radio service. Here are some of the bigger
ones.
> Remember, people need to know. As long as "certain" people know
that
> most people don't care about it, they won't improve it.
>
> Wrong area warned: XMJ316, the transmitter on Collingwood
continues
> to send alert tones when a severe storm crosses Muskoka.
Residence in
> South Simcoe county therefore are forced to turn off their
receivers
> because they don't want to be warned of a storm 50 miles away
going
> away from them. In other words, the system get defeated. I am
> assuming that the repeaters can't send alert tones. This needs to
be
> addressed. SAME would be the right answer but an improvement over
the
> repeaters would be okay too.
>
> Lack of transmitters: Trouble with Toronto XMJ225 begins as you
head
> through Holland Marsh. Depending on how good your antenna is, it
will
> fade in and out. Sometimes it will be fine but after a while,
you'll
> lose it. XMJ316 is simply too far to be reliable. What we need
is a
> transmit facility to properly service Cookstown, Alliston,
Everett,
> Beeton, and Shelburne(if possible since Shelburne is a bit far).
Also
> XMJ316 is very problematic in Barrie with the hilly terrain.
These
> are all prime severe weather areas. Do we need an F5 to make
things
> better? I hope not!
>
> Kilbear gets it, why not Algonquin?: I advised EC that they
should
> seriously consider installing a transmitter/repeater in the park
to
> service at least the Parkway Corridor. As of now, you must get
your
> weather info from your camp office or the visitor centre. This is
not
> exceptable as an avid camper who needs to know what is going on in
the
> greatest provincial park in Ontario. We got hit by a storm so
fast we
> were caught somewhat unprepared. We lived though. It would have
been
> nice to have an alert go off. Of course, the visitor centre said
> "chance of a thunderstorm". That was usefull.....hmmmm.
> Bottom line, Provincial Parks, popular ones, NEED IT!
>
> Todays sporty receiver, FRS or otherwise are marketed as outdoorsy
and
> cool to hike with. Don't expect the weather option to work very
well
> in Ontario in our woods with some exceptions. Over at Rattlesnake
> Point you might catch Buffalo NWS.
>
> Well that is enough ranting.
>
> Marc
Marc: I agree. It should be essential to have a weather radio. It is
too bad that EC cuts services and doesnt improve them. The infoon
the radios used to be on par with the US now it is way behind
Eric
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:58:28 -0400
From: "sjones2" <sjones2@mobile.rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Behind the times was weather radio in Montreal
Geeze Eric, did you have to include Marc's whole message when you replied?
You guys would be better off discussing this on the weather related mailing lists such as Canwarn and wx-talk then here. Several EC officials monitor those lists.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:35:58 -0000
From: "Marc Fitkin <marc022774@yahoo.com>" <marc022774@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Behind the times was weather radio in Montreal
I would agree that messages should be trimmed. However, since the
alert system is built into one of my scanners, I feel it to be
relevant to scanning. And besides, government rhetoric is something
I no longer listen too.
Marc
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, "sjones2" <sjones2@m...> wrote:
> Geeze Eric, did you have to include Marc's whole message when you
replied?
>
> You guys would be better off discussing this on the weather related
mailing lists such as Canwarn and wx-talk then here. Several EC
officials monitor those lists.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:56:41 -0000
From: "cabbie0000 <cabbie0000@yahoo.ca>" <cabbie0000@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Brantford P.S
I recently programmed the Brantford PS new EDACS frequencies into my
245 and I am unable to get any talk groups to come up. It tracks
okay, but no talk groups. I understand they are using ProVoice, but I
wish to monitor the talk groups. Any suggestions would be welcome.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:09:11 -0000
From: "Mike Ciupa <mciupa@excite.com>" <mciupa@excite.com>
Subject: Ontario Fire Marshalls
Is 154.070 a valid frequency to monitor? I used to hear different
fire services contacting one another. Would they now be in the 800's?
I looked up Ministry of Public Safety and Security in TAFL with no
luck.
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:13:12 -0000
From: <kevin@warpzone.ca>
Subject: Re: Ontario Fire Marshalls
Yes, we still utilize 154.070. It's in our backup analog radio and in our
trunked system. Depending on where you are, you still hear radio checks on
Sunday's in the GTA (Mississauga calling Barrie) and the Ontario Fire College
does daily checks with Barrie Fire.
It has been setup that Toronto Fire would patch one of their talkgroups to
the OFM channel and we would do the same here in Vaughan if we were ever
running a large call together (which is rare - fire departments tend to not
work together that way).
Kevin
Vaughan Fire
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:35:07 EST
From: absolute2way@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ontario Fire Marshalls
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:19:50 -0500
From: "Michael Fenech" <mfenech@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Ontario Fire Marshalls
That's just silly since both are on 800 MHz and there are frequencies
available for mutual aid. Mississauga and Etobicoke (now Toronto) always
respond to calls on the 401 together and these used to be patched on
154.070. Now they don't even bother. One department will call their
dispatcher who phones the other department's dispatcher who tells the trucks
that the call was cleared 15 minutes ago. Unbelievable!
--
Michael Fenech
Toronto, Ontario
----- Original Message -----
From: <kevin@warpzone.ca>
To: <scanont@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Scanont] Ontario Fire Marshalls
> It has been setup that Toronto Fire would patch one of their talkgroups to
> the OFM channel and we would do the same here in Vaughan if we were ever
> running a large call together (which is rare - fire departments tend to
not
> work together that way).
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:20:36 -0500
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
Subject: re-digital scanners in Canada
RE: Action required: LDUD-5JGLTY - INFO.IC EnquirySent an e-mail to Industry Canada and asked them if we in Canada are going to be able to buy the new digital scanners in Canada, this is the reply I received from them.
Steve
Dear Sir,
Canadian equipment certification is required. All radio equipment must comply with Canadian procedures and technical standards before authorization is given to sell the apparatus in Canada.
The procedure to apply for radio equipment certification is RSP-100. The latest version of RSP-100 is available at: http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/sf01130e.html
The list of radio standards is available at:
http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/sf01375e.html#RadioEquipmentTechnicalStandards(Lists)
Best Regards,
Dan Sigouin
Telecommunication Engineering Specialist
Industry Canada
Certification & Engineering Bureau
ISO 9001 Registered
3701 Carling Avenue, Building 94
Ottawa, Ontario
K2H 8S2
Tel: 613-990-3982
Fax: 613-990-5009
E-Mail: sigouin.dan@ic.gc.ca
Web: http://spectrum.ic.gc.ca/~cert
-----Original Message-----
From: Sullivan, Madeleine: DEB Lab
Sent: February 10, 2003 11:26 AM
To: Sigouin, Dan: DEB Lab
Subject: FW: Action required: LDUD-5JGLTY - INFO.IC Enquiry
Here is an enquiry for which your assistance is required.
In an effort to meet our service standard of providing a resolution to client inquiries by the end of the next business day, we ask that you respond to our information request within 24 hours. If this is not possible, please advise us and indicate when a response may be available, so that we can advise the client.
Lee Duford
INFO.IC Help Desk
Industry Canada
365 Laurier Ave. West
3rd Floor, South Tower
Room 381D
Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0C8
Tel: (613) 954-5031 Fax: (613) 954-1894
Toll Free: 1-800-328-6189
-http://www.ic.gc.ca
this is my e-mail to the government !
Digital Scanner Radios
I was wondering if you can tell me if the Government is going to be allowing
people in Canada to buy the new Uniden Digital Scanner Radios hear in Canada,
if so can you tell me when you are going to allow Radio Business to sell them.
I ask because I am in the market to buy a new scanner radio and business in
Canada will not sell one to me until they hear from the governemt that it's ok.
Can you send me any information on this subject.
Regards
Steve
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:39:06 -0000
From: "Mike Ciupa <mciupa@excite.com>" <mciupa@excite.com>
Subject: Re: Ontario Fire Marshalls
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, <kevin@w...> wrote:
> Yes, we still utilize 154.070. >
> Kevin
> Vaughan Fire
Thank you for replying. Much appreciated.
> Mike
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:28:42 -0000
From: "Peter K. Hodgson <va3pkh@rac.ca>" <va3pkh@rac.ca>
Subject: Re: re-digital scanners in Canada
According to the IC Website at
http://spectrum.ic.gc.ca/~cert/daily/radio_u_e.html
The BC250D and BC785D completed the certification process
on 2003/02/06 (Last Thursday) I think thats what "completion date"
means.
No sign of the digital card BCi25d in the list.
Peter
VA3PKH
> Dear Sir,
>
> Canadian equipment certification is required. All radio equipment
must comply with Canadian procedures and technical standards before
authorization is given to sell the apparatus in Canada.
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:28:39 -0000
From: "va3gpc <va3gpc@yahoo.ca>" <va3gpc@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: re-digital scanners in Canada
> Dear Sir,
Blah blah blah... ie standard canned government response. Lets face
it. The Government doesn't want many people monitoring the new
system, so they will never "accept" the radio or card for use in
Canada. Simple.
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:01:42 -0500
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Re: re-digital scanners in Canada
So does this mean that the scanner radios can now be sold in Canada, and as
far as the digital card they still have not made any decision yet ????
SEVE
> According to the IC Website at
> http://spectrum.ic.gc.ca/~cert/daily/radio_u_e.html
>
> The BC250D and BC785D completed the certification process
> on 2003/02/06 (Last Thursday) I think thats what "completion date"
> means.
> No sign of the digital card BCi25d in the list.
> Peter
> VA3PKH
>
>
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:09:50 -0500
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
Subject: digital scanners
I just went to the Radioworld internet site and they are selling the digital scanners in Canada, but you need to get a TAC license first http://www.radioworld.ca/swscan/swsc.php
Steve
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:14:16 -0500
From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: digital scanners
> I just went to the Radioworld internet site and they are selling the
> digital scanners in Canada, but you need to get a TAC license first
> http://www.radioworld.ca/swscan
I had the opportunity to play with a digital radio last night (not some
scanner, the real mccoy). Very nice... although I am still convinced
that analog still hasn't outlived its usefulness.
There were a few issues that I feel that digital has that makes it a
concern over analog... but I have no desire to outdo anyone or be the
'first on the block' kinda thing..... digital can wait.
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:14:54 -0500
From: Chris Fortner <forts@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Ontario Fire Marshalls
At 10:09 PM 2/10/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Is 154.070 a valid frequency to monitor? I used to hear different
>fire services contacting one another. Would they now be in the 800's?
>I looked up Ministry of Public Safety and Security in TAFL with no
>luck.
Here in the London area, 154.070 is Middlesex County TAC2... it's used
fairly often and tested at least weekly.... City fire usually does patch
tests from their 800mhz system onto 154.370, 154.070 (and they typically
call this the OFM channel) and 154.725.
Chris Fortner
London, Ontario Canada
forts@rogers.com
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:31:59 -0000
From: "jets_1961 <jets1961@hotmail.com>" <jets1961@hotmail.com>
Subject: Application for digital scanner.
Posted in scanont and digital-scanning yahoo groups and
trunkedradio.net
Has anyone seen the IC application for a digital scanner receiver?
Better yet has anyone received one? Also any information on what the
criteria is for granting the licence.
This digital scanner stuff seem very grey to me.
Thanks, Joe
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 04:41:44 -0000
From: "nancyschmancy21 <nancyschmancy21@yahoo.com>" <nancyschmancy21@yahoo.com>
Subject: Hamilton, Ontario Scanner Frequencies
I'm looking for an updated site that has scanner frequencies for
Hamilton, Ontario Canada.
Thanks,
nancy
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