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Date: Thu Feb 06 2003 - 18:54:25 EST
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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. TPS ID numbers???
From: "officerben2001 <texasmarshallben@hotmail.com>" <texasmarshallben@hotmail.com>
2. RE: TPS ID numbers???
From: "Greg Kulin" <gkulin@everreddy.com>
3. RE: TPS ID numbers???
From: "Chris's Newgroup Email" <group@irisreg.com>
4. Gmcp site 41 Edgar
From: "sjones2" <sjones2@mobile.rogers.com>
5. Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
From: "glen282001 <unicorn1717@hotmail.com>" <unicorn1717@hotmail.com>
6. Re: TPS ID numbers???
From: "officerben2001 <texasmarshallben@hotmail.com>" <texasmarshallben@hotmail.com>
7. Re: weather radio in Montreal
From: "mike_morassutti <mike@climetsystems.com>" <mike@climetsystems.com>
8. Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
9. Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
From: "sjones2" <sjones2@mobile.rogers.com>
10. Re: weather radio in Montreal
From: "Marc Fitkin <marc022774@yahoo.com>" <marc022774@yahoo.com>
11. Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
12. Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
From: "sjones2" <sjones2@mobile.rogers.com>
13. Weather radio on 2 sep channels
From: "Eric <ejb@cogeco.ca>" <ejb@cogeco.ca>
14. Re: Weather radio on 2 sep channels
From: "Marc Fitkin <marc022774@yahoo.com>" <marc022774@yahoo.com>
15. Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
16. Spectrum Website
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
17. Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
From: "sjones2" <sjones2@mobile.rogers.com>
18. Re: TPS ID numbers???
From: "R.S. (Bob) Heuman" <rsh@idirect.com>
19. Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
20. Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
From: "sjones2" <sjones2@mobile.rogers.com>
21. Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
22. Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
From: Steve Jones <sdjones@isys.ca>
23. Re: Re: Wild weather
From: "Famille Sylvain Lamarre" <sylvain.lamarre@si.cgocable.ca>
24. Digital
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
25. Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 13:03:25 -0000
From: "officerben2001 <texasmarshallben@hotmail.com>" <texasmarshallben@hotmail.com>
Subject: TPS ID numbers???
Does anyone know where I can get an accurate list of id numbers for
Toronto Police. I found a few using the search method. I also went to
fleetcall, but those id numbers are not correct, or TPS is currently
not using them. So far I have found most divisions, except I can not
find 23 Div., 31 Div. ,and sometimes I can not listen to 41 Div or 42
Div.
Ben
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:17:27 -0500
From: "Greg Kulin" <gkulin@everreddy.com>
Subject: RE: TPS ID numbers???
Check www.trunkedradio.net
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From: officerben2001 <texasmarshallben@hotmail.com>
[mailto:texasmarshallben@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thu 06 Feb 03 08:03
To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Scanont] TPS ID numbers???
Does anyone know where I can get an accurate list of id numbers for
Toronto Police. I found a few using the search method. I also went to
fleetcall, but those id numbers are not correct, or TPS is currently
not using them. So far I have found most divisions, except I can not
find 23 Div., 31 Div. ,and sometimes I can not listen to 41 Div or 42
Div.
Ben
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:39:38 -0500
From: "Chris's Newgroup Email" <group@irisreg.com>
Subject: RE: TPS ID numbers???
Pay close attention to the call signs. TPS will and does patch groups.
This is to save resources, but they are not always the same.
Below are some observations that I have made, but they are not total
accurate. I have also included some postings about this subject as
well.
Original Use Possible new use Talk Grp
11 Division 11/12 Division 04112
12 Division Not Used 04128
13 Division Not Used 04144
14 Division 14 Division 04160
14B Division 14 TAC? 04176
21 Division Not a TPS Div 04352
22 Division 22/23 Division 04368
23 Division Not Used 04384
31 Division 31 Division 04448
32 Division 32/33 Div 04464
33 Division Not Used 04480
41 Division 41 Division 04640
42 Division 42 Division 04656
43 Division 43 Division 04672
51 Division 51/53 Division 04736
52 Division 52 Division 04752
53 Division Not Used 04864
54 Division Not Used 04880
55 Division 55/54 Division 04896
Highway Patrol 13 Div/Hwy Patrol 05008
From: Lamar Lugli
To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 18:08
Subject: Re: [Scanont] TPS Talk Grp Changes
You gotta be careful on those patched channels. Depending on how the
dispatcher patches them, they might appear on one talkgroup or the
other.
For example: 13/HWY are often patched. You will see them on 4147
(4144 patched) or on 5011 (5008 patched). There is no way to know
a-priori which channel the patch will end up on. Same goes for 11/12,
32/33, 51/53 and 54/55. Also, if an emergency alarm is activated, the
talkgroups immediately become unpatched.
If you don't hear traffic on one channel, check the other since it is
probably there.
Lamar
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:21:34 -0400
From: "sjones2" <sjones2@mobile.rogers.com>
Subject: Gmcp site 41 Edgar
Add 142.8150 to the site.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 14:39:26 -0000
From: "glen282001 <unicorn1717@hotmail.com>" <unicorn1717@hotmail.com>
Subject: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
Hi all.
Did any of you hear Air One assisting TPS searching for
someone near the Toronto Zoo.
142.770 was busy, and I found that 138.7500 which is the input
to 142.770, had better audio,when air one was talking.
A Couple of East Zone tg's had similar action as well.
This is the second time in a matter of a week that I've heard
Air One assisting TPS.
Cool stuff.
Regards,
GH
Oshawa
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 15:00:46 -0000
From: "officerben2001 <texasmarshallben@hotmail.com>" <texasmarshallben@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPS ID numbers???
Thanks for the info guys....
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, "officerben2001
<texasmarshallben@h...>" <texasmarshallben@h...> wrote:
> Does anyone know where I can get an accurate list of id numbers for
> Toronto Police. I found a few using the search method. I also went
to
> fleetcall, but those id numbers are not correct, or TPS is
currently
> not using them. So far I have found most divisions, except I can
not
> find 23 Div., 31 Div. ,and sometimes I can not listen to 41 Div or
42
> Div.
> Ben
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 15:22:28 -0000
From: "mike_morassutti <mike@climetsystems.com>" <mike@climetsystems.com>
Subject: Re: weather radio in Montreal
> Eric Bernstein
> Hamilton
>
> P.S It is great too listen to the weather in both languages. You
> learn a lot about the languages that way.
Eric: You make a good point. I do not have a problem with
Wx transmissions in both languages. It should be like that.
My concern is with the utility, or usefulness of, such
broadcasts when the weather info is needed quickly.
If both French/English are broadcasted on the same freq,
then the cycle, in my opinion takes, too long. I provided
a possible solution to this dilemma in a previous thread.
Perhaps two separate freqs, 1 FR & 1 EN could be used,
instead of both languages on 1 freq.
All the best...Mike/
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:17:00 -0500
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
Subject: Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
The audio was terrible at this end. I could barely make them out. Unfortunately I had 138.75 locked out. Likely due digital signals on it.
J.
"Just watch me." Pierre Elliot Trudeau 1970
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From: glen282001 <unicorn1717@hotmail.com>
To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:39 AM
Subject: [Scanont] Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
Hi all.
Did any of you hear Air One assisting TPS searching for
someone near the Toronto Zoo.
142.770 was busy, and I found that 138.7500 which is the input
to 142.770, had better audio,when air one was talking......
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:25:37 -0400
From: "sjones2" <sjones2@mobile.rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
Since none of the agencies involved use digital I'm not sure how you arrive at that conclusion?
More then likely, there were several opc common repeaters on air during this event. You were probably receiving a mix of several repeaters. This is not uncommon during use of opc common.
I believe that opc common repeaters are supposed to be left disabled until needed because of this. However, i don't think all forces remember to disable them.
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 16:41:25 -0000
From: "Marc Fitkin <marc022774@yahoo.com>" <marc022774@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: weather radio in Montreal
>
> P.S It is great too listen to the weather in both languages. You
> learn a lot about the languages that way
I listen to Toronto a lot to double check weather and for the alerts
and so on. I am also asked what is the weather a lot by other people
because they know that I know (most of the time). The French cycle
has grown on me to the point that I can pretty much understand it and
to be honest, the voice is actually an improvement over Mr. Boring
English, but both of ours is WAY better than the US even the improved
ones which sound like a nervous computer (howver what we gain in
voice we lose big time in early warning technology, SAME et al).
In any case, it probably would have been better to go with two freq.
but in every case after an alert tone, the broadcast was first in
English.
Has anyone had success with the BC780's alert feature?
Marc
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:18:59 -0500
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
Subject: Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
I'm hearing digital occasionally here on several of the old OPP mobile freqs including 138.75. My thought was that some of them are used as inputs for the new system. It was suggested here that once they were no longer needed for the old system that they would remain in the OPP's frequency pool.
I also briefly heard last night what sounded like a data channel on 141.45 ( old ch 6 mobile). I don't see that listed yet on Lindsay's site.
BTW: When I hear Barrie City do a radio check on the provincial common channel in analog I never seem to hear the mobile's reply. I can't figure that one.
J.
"Just watch me." Pierre Elliot Trudeau 1970
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From: sjones2
To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Scanont] Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
Since none of the agencies involved use digital I'm not sure how you arrive at that conclusion?.....
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:22:46 -0400
From: "sjones2" <sjones2@mobile.rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
138.750 is not an opp frequency. They do use it as part of the opc common system that all police departments use. You will not hear digital on it. All units opp or otherwise use analog.
What part of Barrie are you in? With all the stuff you're hearing i think your scanner is being overloaded.
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 18:41:57 -0000
From: "Eric <ejb@cogeco.ca>" <ejb@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Weather radio on 2 sep channels
Guys I agree. It takes 2 long but.. it is a good way to fall asleep
at nite no ?
Eric
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 19:45:33 -0000
From: "Marc Fitkin <marc022774@yahoo.com>" <marc022774@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Weather radio on 2 sep channels
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, "Eric <ejb@c...>" <ejb@c...> wrote:
> Guys I agree. It takes 2 long but.. it is a good way to fall asleep
> at nite no ?
>
> Eric
Well no.....it depends. Most wives don't like Mr. French or Mr.
English. But then, I am not married.
In either case, it is better to know that you have the weather radio
on alert.....just in case.
Marc
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:02:22 -0500
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
Subject: Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
<138.750 is not an opp frequency. They do use it as part of the opc common system that all police departments use.>
That's right. I've confused the OPP freq's with the OPC freq's. Actually I thought the OPP freq's were licensed to the OPC. Which I believe is now called the Ontario Civilian Commission on Police Services.
<You will not hear digital on it.>
Well I'm hearing something on it as well as on the output that sure sounds digital to me. Of course we all know I've been wrong before ;)
<All units opp or otherwise use analog.>
I take it you mean on the common channel?
<What part of Barrie are you in?>
I'm right downtown near the old hospital site. I never heard these 'digital sounding to me' transmissions on any of the freq's I've mentioned lately when I was in the south end of the city. The new system came online after I moved and that's when I started hearing them.
<With all the stuff you're hearing i think your scanner is being overloaded.>
This is a possibility. I have put inline a stub filter to block some intermod but right now on my BC895XLT I'm hearing it on 139.065( old OPP channel 2 mobile and not listed on Lindsay's site)but I can also hear it just as well on my ICOM 02AT. I'm certain that these two radios have very different receiver properties and so should be good for a comparison.
Maybe someone can punch in 139.065 for a while and we'll see if I've gone shack wacky this winter or not.
J.
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:08:03 -0500
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
Subject: Spectrum Website
Thought I'd share this website with the group. I had never seen it before:
http://www.rabc.ottawa.on.ca/e/index.cfm
Welcome.
The Radio Advisory Board of Canada provides broadly based, unbiased and technically expert advice to the Government of Canada and to the industry on all matters regarding the management and use of the radio frequency spectrum in Canada.
The RABC's signal is powered by its SPONSORS and by the Government of Canada. We urge you to visit our featured sponsor - Royal Canadian Mounted Police - and find out what's in the news on Industry Canada's Strategis site.
J.
"Just watch me." Pierre Elliot Trudeau 1970
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:04:41 -0400
From: "sjones2" <sjones2@mobile.rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
What is the old output for 139.065?
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 16:25:01 -0500
From: "R.S. (Bob) Heuman" <rsh@idirect.com>
Subject: Re: TPS ID numbers???
On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:39:38 -0500, you wrote:
>Pay close attention to the call signs. TPS will and does patch groups.
>This is to save resources, but they are not always the same.
>
>
>Original Use Possible new use Talk Grp
>
>11 Division 11/12 Division 04112
>12 Division Not Used 04128
>13 Division Not Used 04144
>Highway Patrol 13 Div/Hwy Patrol 05008
>14 Division 14 Division 04160
>14B Division 14 TAC? 04176
>21 Division Not a TPS Div 04352
>22 Division 22/23 Division 04368
>23 Division Not Used 04384
>31 Division 31 Division 04448
>32 Division Used today OR 04464|One of these two
>33 Division Used two weeks ago 04480|is in use at any time
>41 Division 41 Division 04640
>42 Division 42 Division 04656
>43 Division 43 Division 04672
>51 Division 51/53 Division 04736
>52 Division 52 Division 04752
>53 Division Not Used 04864
>54 Division Used today 04880|One of these two
>55 Division Not used today 04896|is in use at any time
The following Talk Groups were also heard today
5 Dist HR
9F Marine LG
Park Enforce
East Court
Marine Unit
Invest B6
Video Services
And I was watching only about two hours today...
RSH
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:29:52 -0500
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
Subject: Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
143.655
On the input I'm also hearing in analog MTO or maybe Beamish or another contractor working the 400.
J.
"Just watch me." Pierre Elliot Trudeau 1970
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From: sjones2
To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 16:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Scanont] Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
What is the old output for 139.065?
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:31:45 -0400
From: "sjones2" <sjones2@mobile.rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
Its an input then. You just have to find what the new output is.
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:07:47 -0500
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
Subject: Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
Well if it's an input for the GMCP system wouldn't the output be one of the freq's from whichever tower it belongs to? Or are you thinking maybe it could be a different systems repeater input?
J.
"Just watch me." Pierre Elliot Trudeau 1970
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From: sjones2
To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 16:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Scanont] Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
Its an input then. You just have to find what the new output is.
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 17:45:25 -0500
From: Steve Jones <sdjones@isys.ca>
Subject: Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night!
on 2/6/03 5:07 PM, radio at radio@slakeyourthirst.com wrote:
> Well if it's an input for the GMCP system wouldn't the output be one of the
> freq's from whichever tower it belongs to? Or are you thinking maybe it could
> be a different systems repeater input?
You're making a lot of assumptions in jumping to the conclusion that the old
inputs are matched up with the old outputs on the new system. Keep in mind
this system was engineered and built by Bell Mobility Radio. Just because
the OPP had certain input/output combinations doesn't mean BMR had to reuse
them as is.
As well, frequencies don't belong to towers. Bell has reused some OPP
towers and some of their own towers for the new system. They can move
frequencies around based on what their engineers have told them. One of the
frequencies at Edgar (143.160) used to be running at the Orillia GHQ tower.
The other frequencies at Edgar were never used in the old OPP system.
You need to determine what the hex channel number is for 139.065 and match
it up with the corresponding output frequency that trunker or treport gives
you.
Or... Park your scanner on 139.065 and listen to each site in the area that
you can hear (Edgar, Penetang, Primrose?) and find the correspondence
between output and input. It will be tricky as each talkgroup is usually
broadcast from multiple sites.
If you're in Barrie then chances are the officer is on the closest tower
which would be Edgar.
-- Steve <sdjones@isys.ca> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 18:00:15 -0500 From: "Famille Sylvain Lamarre" <sylvain.lamarre@si.cgocable.ca> Subject: Re: Re: Wild weather Hi, I live in prov. of Québec and can confirm that the local 162.550 MHz Wx broadcast overhere is bilingual.v'just checked a minute ago and got the english version of the forecast ;) By the way, i live in Sept-Iles (pop. 24000), some 1000 km north-east of Montreal on the north shore of the St-Laurence river, a town populated mostly by french speaking peoples. So i guess it must be as someone else said, a gov. "standard" to bdcast in the two languages. - Sylvain. robinson4724@rogers.com wrote: __________ >I have not been in Quebec for a while but I have heard that the Weather stations there are not Bilingual but French only, is this true? > >Mel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 24 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 18:39:39 -0500 From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca> Subject: Digital FYI 149.495 WORKS/ROADS FORT ERIE 162.195 WORKS/ROADS FORT ERIE Just started to hear Digital Noise on these two frequencies Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 25 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 18:45:01 -0500 From: "Mike Iszak" <mike@warpzone.ca> Subject: Re: Air One helo action on 142.770 last night! Well, in defence of the poster... I've heard digital on 142.7700 a LOT down in London. I asked a friend that's a dispatcher with London PD, she told me that when they patch the common channel with one of their talkgroups, they have to actually select "analog" not digital. But, I guess sometimes they forget to do this. I've also heard digital on it in Niagara. The NRPS use digital radios, so they probably dont know they are even doing it. So yes, there is digital on this frequency. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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