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Topics in this digest:
1. Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
From: "Mel" <robinson4724@rogers.com>
2. Re: Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
3. Re: Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
From: rsh@idirect.com
4. RE: Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
From: "Greg Kulin" <gkulin@everreddy.com>
5. Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
From: "Gord <bassmaster_65321@yahoo.com>" <bassmaster_65321@yahoo.com>
6. Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
From: "Michael Fenech" <mfenech@sympatico.ca>
7. Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
From: Ropel <ropel@golden.net>
8. Re: Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
9. Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
From: "R.S. (Bob) Heuman" <rsh@idirect.com>
10. Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
From: "Michael Fenech" <mfenech@sympatico.ca>
11. Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
From: "John H" <sudsyjkh@softhome.net>
12. Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
From: "John H" <sudsyjkh@softhome.net>
13. Re: Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
From: Steve Jones <sdjones@isys.ca>
14. Re: Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
From: "dave_scan1 <dharris@playground.net>" <dharris@playground.net>
15. digital card
From: "dave_scan1 <dharris@playground.net>" <dharris@playground.net>
16. Re: Re: Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
From: Steve Jones <s.jones@rogers.com>
17. Re: digital card
From: Steve Jones <s.jones@rogers.com>
18. RE: pocsag decoding help??
From: "Chris's Newgroup Email" <group@irisreg.com>
19. Re: pocsag decoding help??
From: Michael Fenech <mfenech@sympatico.ca>
20. Re: pocsag decoding help??
From: Arthur Shulman <dentist@nornet.on.ca>
21. Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
From: rsh@idirect.com
22. Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
From: "Gord <bassmaster_65321@yahoo.com>" <bassmaster_65321@yahoo.com>
23. Re: Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
From: Arthur Shulman <dentist@nornet.on.ca>
24. Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
From: "Gord <bassmaster_65321@yahoo.com>" <bassmaster_65321@yahoo.com>
25. Re: pocsag decoding help??
From: ted hay <tedh1@sympatico.ca>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:28:05 -0500
From: "Mel" <robinson4724@rogers.com>
Subject: Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
>From DigiScan
Government of Quebec Selects Motorola Digital Radio System
Date(s): 1/27/2003 10:07:00 AM
Communications Upgrade Will Link All Government Agencies
SCHAUMBURG, Ill., Jan. 27 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The Government
of Quebec has signed a $35 million (U.S. currency) contract with
Motorola (NYSE: MOT) for a new, state-of-the-art VHF ASTRO(R)25
Multicast communications system. The first of its kind in Canada,
the system is part of Motorola's extensive portfolio of integrated
communications and information solutions to address mission-
critical public safety and security requirements worldwide.
The area-wide system is slated for installation at the end of
2003, with final system acceptance projected for year-end 2005. It
will provide services to an estimated 10,000 mobile and portable
two-way radios and use Motorola Centracom Elite(TM) dispatch
consoles housed in numerous dispatch locations.
Quebec's new system will provide coverage over 125,000 square
miles and serve a population of more than seven million people.
All Quebec government departments and public safety agencies,
including Surete du Quebec (Provincial Police), will have access
to the system.
"Interoperability is the overriding benefit of the new system,"
said Rick Good, Motorola Communications and Electronics, Inc. vice
president. "Once the system is implemented and online, all
government and public safety agencies in Quebec will have the
ability to communicate with each other and coordinate their
responses to routine and emergency calls more efficiently than
ever before."
The new system will also be capable of interfacing with Hydro-
Quebec's Motorola SmartZone system that was deployed in the mid-
1990's, thus, if ever required extending the system's
communications reach.
"The Government of Quebec and its public safety agencies will
dramatically improve their communications capability with Quebec's
new ASTRO system," said Good. "We look forward to working with
them to design and implement a communications solution that will
deliver immeasurable value to its users, as well as to the
citizens it serves, well into the future."
About Motorola's Safety and Security Solutions
Motorola is a leading provider of integrated communications and
information solutions with 65 years of experience in meeting the
mission- critical requirements of public safety, public service,
government and enterprise customers worldwide. The company's
extensive public safety and security portfolio includes:
interoperable two-way radio communications solutions with
encrypted security capabilities; command and control equipment and
software applications, including computer-aided dispatch, 9-1-1
and 3-1-1 systems and automated records management systems;
identification and tracking solutions, including palm/fingerprint
and photo-imaging systems, as well as comprehensive information
management capabilities for criminal justice and civil needs; and
physical security and monitoring solutions, including remote
monitoring and diagnostics.
About Motorola
Motorola, Inc. (NYSE: MOT) is a global leader in providing
integrated communications and embedded electronic solutions. Sales
in 2001 were $30 billion. For more information, visit
<A HREF="http://www.motorola.com/">http://www.motorola.com </A>.
MOTOROLA and the Stylized M Logo are registered in the U.S. Patent
and Trademark Office. All other product or service names are the
property of their respective owners. SOURCE Motorola, Inc.
-0- 01/27/2003
/CONTACT: Media, Steve Gorecki of Motorola, Inc., +1-847-538-0368,
steve.gorecki@motorola.com /
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:48:34 -0500
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
Subject: Re: Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
How does this system differ from the one already being implemented in Ontario?
J.
"Just watch me." Pierre Elliot Trudeau 1970
----- Original Message -----
From: Mel
To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:28 AM
Subject: [Scanont] Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
From DigiScan
Government of Quebec Selects Motorola Digital Radio System
Date(s): 1/27/2003 10:07:00 AM
Communications Upgrade Will Link All Government Agencies
SCHAUMBURG, Ill., Jan. 27 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The Government
of Quebec has signed a $35 million (U.S. currency) contract with
Motorola (NYSE: MOT) for a new, state-of-the-art VHF ASTRO(R)25
Multicast communications system. The first of its kind in Canada,.......
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:22:21 -0500
From: rsh@idirect.com
Subject: Re: Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:48:34 -0500, you wrote:
>How does this system differ from the one already being implemented in Ontario?
>
>J.
>
French? :-)
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:34:46 -0500
From: "Greg Kulin" <gkulin@everreddy.com>
Subject: RE: Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
Looks like it will be a 9600 baud system, with no analog talkgroups. Wonder
if they will migrate Hydro-Quebec to this system as well.
-----Original Message-----
From: radio [mailto:radio@slakeyourthirst.com]
Sent: Mon 27 Jan 03 11:49
To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Scanont] Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
How does this system differ from the one already being implemented in
Ontario?
J.
"Just watch me." Pierre Elliot Trudeau 1970
----- Original Message -----
From: Mel
To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:28 AM
Subject: [Scanont] Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
From DigiScan
Government of Quebec Selects Motorola Digital Radio System
Date(s): 1/27/2003 10:07:00 AM
Communications Upgrade Will Link All Government Agencies
SCHAUMBURG, Ill., Jan. 27 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The Government
of Quebec has signed a $35 million (U.S. currency) contract with
Motorola (NYSE: MOT) for a new, state-of-the-art VHF ASTRO(R)25
Multicast communications system. The first of its kind in Canada,.......
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:01:20 -0000
From: "Gord <bassmaster_65321@yahoo.com>" <bassmaster_65321@yahoo.com>
Subject: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
I have heard that Brant Taxi is supposedly going digital as well
this year. Haven't really been following this much, but my guess is
that if IC is making it illegal to listen to digital radio, what's
the point in buying a digital scanner if you can't buy the digital
card needed??
I guess for now I will still have CN Rail and the airlines to listen
to.
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:18:08 -0500
From: "Michael Fenech" <mfenech@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
Most likely digital as in a computer based dispatch system. Many Toronto
area taxis use such a system. A small terminal displays calls which the
driver can accept by pressing a button.
--
Michael Fenech
Toronto, Ontario
----- Original Message -----
From: <bassmaster_65321@yahoo.com>
To: <scanont@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:01 PM
Subject: [Scanont] Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
> I have heard that Brant Taxi is supposedly going digital as well
> this year.
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:34:54 -0500
From: Ropel <ropel@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
> Most likely digital as in a computer based dispatch system.
>
>I have heard that Brant Taxi is supposedly going digital as well
>this year.
If this is the type of system they are going to then you will need more
than just a scanner to recieve and read/decode them. I own/operate a
Taxi in Kitchener and several years ago we went to Digital Dispatch. It
is a lot more efficiant and a LOT easier on the nerves during busy
times.
73 and Happy Scanning
Bob
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:04:15 -0500
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
Subject: Re: Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
The release states: "The new system will also be capable of interfacing with Hydro-
Quebec's Motorola SmartZone system" which I thought was analog. So if I'm right about that it would have to be a 3600 system and that would not make it the first in Canada. Unless there's something I'm missing.
J.
"Just watch me." Pierre Elliot Trudeau 1970
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Kulin
To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 12:34 PM
Subject: RE: [Scanont] Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
Looks like it will be a 9600 baud system, with no analog talkgroups. Wonder
if they will migrate Hydro-Quebec to this system as well.
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:33:45 -0500
From: "R.S. (Bob) Heuman" <rsh@idirect.com>
Subject: Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
IC cannot make it illegal to LISTEN to Digital, but they can refuse to
provide a TAC to any scanner that permits you to listen to digital. That
still obviously permits you to acquire said scanner outside Canada and bring
it into Canada so that you can listen to digital. IC cannot prevent that!
What their action does is rob Canada and the provinces of their share of the
revenue as taxes will not be collected by the retailer when selling such a
scanner to you in Canada. Instead there are several choices...
1. Buy outside Canada and have it shipped into Canada hoping that no one
notices that it is digital and therefore that it makes it to your address.
2. Buy outside Canada and bring it into Canada in your car or other method
of transport across the border [[boat/airplane/trailer,etc...]
3. Buy outside Canada and carry it on your person as you come into Canada.
As in the US and other nations it is perfectly legal, you can have it xray'd
and carry it and it is likely to be undetected on arrival unless you undergo
a body search <grin>
They are small, they are light, and they are receivers only, so they are,
relatively speaking, undetectable in the overall clutter of radio wave
propogation in the world today.
So, IC can make them illegal as they are lacking a TAC, and can make it
difficult to buy but they cannot stop you from listening, from buying the
parts as per the RS parts list, from assembling your own, from buying
outside Canada, etc. It is more a question of how much YOU want to have it
than it is of their preventing you from having it....
FWIW
RSH
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:01:20 -0000, you wrote:
>I have heard that Brant Taxi is supposedly going digital as well
>this year. Haven't really been following this much, but my guess is
>that if IC is making it illegal to listen to digital radio, what's
>the point in buying a digital scanner if you can't buy the digital
>card needed??
>
>I guess for now I will still have CN Rail and the airlines to listen
>to.
>
>
>
>
>Looking for trunked radio information?
>Try http://www.trunkedradio.net.
>
>
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>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:45:16 -0500
From: "Michael Fenech" <mfenech@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
But you do undergo a body search. It's called a metal detector. When it
goes off and you have to remove the radio, I think they'll question why you
didn't declare it in the first place. And then the fun begins.....
--
Michael Fenech
Toronto, Ontario
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.S. (Bob) Heuman" <rsh@idirect.com>
To: <scanont@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Scanont] Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
> 3. Buy outside Canada and carry it on your person as you come into Canada.
> As in the US and other nations it is perfectly legal, you can have it
xray'd
> and carry it and it is likely to be undetected on arrival unless you
undergo
> a body search <grin>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:51:27 -0500
From: "John H" <sudsyjkh@softhome.net>
Subject: Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
----- Original Message -----
From: <bassmaster_65321@yahoo.com>
To: <scanont@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:01 PM
Subject: [Scanont] Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
> I have heard that Brant Taxi is supposedly going digital as well
> this year. Haven't really been following this much, but my guess is
> that if IC is making it illegal to listen to digital radio, what's
> the point in buying a digital scanner if you can't buy the digital
> card needed??
This is why you get your contacts in the states to get you both the scanner
and the card at the same time...then you won't have to worry about buying
the card here...and when you do get both...you listen to the OGS and the
Brant Taxi and everything else with pleasure...but just don't blab about
it:)
>
> I guess for now I will still have CN Rail and the airlines to listen
> to.
>
>
>
>
> Looking for trunked radio information?
> Try http://www.trunkedradio.net.
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:52:37 -0500
From: "John H" <sudsyjkh@softhome.net>
Subject: Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ropel" <ropel@golden.net>
To: <scanont@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Scanont] Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
> > Most likely digital as in a computer based dispatch system.
> >
> >I have heard that Brant Taxi is supposedly going digital as well
> >this year.
>
> If this is the type of system they are going to then you will need more
> than just a scanner to recieve and read/decode them. I own/operate a
> Taxi in Kitchener and several years ago we went to Digital Dispatch. It
> is a lot more efficiant and a LOT easier on the nerves during busy
> times.
is this city cab? >
> 73 and Happy Scanning
> Bob
>
> Looking for trunked radio information?
> Try http://www.trunkedradio.net.
>
>
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>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:18:01 -0500
From: Steve Jones <sdjones@isys.ca>
Subject: Re: Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
on 1/27/03 4:04 PM, radio at radio@slakeyourthirst.com wrote:
> The release states: "The new system will also be capable of interfacing with
> Hydro-
> Quebec's Motorola SmartZone system" which I thought was analog. So if I'm
> right about that it would have to be a 3600 system and that would not make it
> the first in Canada. Unless there's something I'm missing.
>
Hydro Quebec runs a vhf astro smartzone system with a 3600baud control
channel.
--
Steve <sdjones@isys.ca>
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 00:51:39 -0000
From: "dave_scan1 <dharris@playground.net>" <dharris@playground.net>
Subject: Re: Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, Steve Jones <sdjones@i...> wrote:
> on 1/27/03 4:04 PM, radio at radio@s... wrote:
>
> > The release states: "The new system will also be capable of
interfacing with
> > Hydro-
> > Quebec's Motorola SmartZone system" which I thought was analog. So
It is completely digital, but for some reason has a 3600bps
control channel. Maybe the 9600 CC was not developed enough
when the system came into use several years back.
Dave
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 00:57:10 -0000
From: "dave_scan1 <dharris@playground.net>" <dharris@playground.net>
Subject: digital card
How about a cheap crystal-controlled amateur-band-only RX that
just happens to interface with the Uniden digital card...no
restriction against listenening to amateurs experimenting
with coded voice, provided they are operating within the
rules.
Dave
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:23:12 -0500
From: Steve Jones <s.jones@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Quebec Selects Motorola Digital
on 1/27/03 7:51 PM, dave_scan1 <dharris@playground.net> at
dharris@playground.net wrote:
> It is completely digital, but for some reason has a 3600bps
> control channel. Maybe the 9600 CC was not developed enough
> when the system came into use several years back.
>
> Dave
Yup, the 9600 baud channel was not available when the system went online.
--
Steve <s.jones@rogers.com>
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:25:19 -0500
From: Steve Jones <s.jones@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: digital card
on 1/27/03 7:57 PM, dave_scan1 <dharris@playground.net> at
dharris@playground.net wrote:
> How about a cheap crystal-controlled amateur-band-only RX that
> just happens to interface with the Uniden digital card...no
> restriction against listenening to amateurs experimenting
> with coded voice, provided they are operating within the
> rules.
If I read IC's act correctly, a digital receiver that is restricted to the
amateur bands is exempt from licencing.
Same goes for broadcast band receivers. Can you imagine having to obtain a
licence for a digital am/fm car radio that has a scan feature?
--
Steve <s.jones@rogers.com>
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:48:01 -0500
From: "Chris's Newgroup Email" <group@irisreg.com>
Subject: RE: pocsag decoding help??
I am having a hard time testing out my data sliced. Does anyone have a
few "for sure" frequencies in the GTA I can use to test POC32?
Thanks
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Chadis [mailto:alex@chadis.net]
Sent: January 21, 2003 12:42 PM
To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Scanont] pocsag decoding help??
You want to find a program called POC32, which will use a scanner and
your soundcard to decode POCSAG. We used this program when building a
small system to test and make sure the stuff was going out right. Neat
program, falses here and there, but for the most part dead on.
I think that'll save the most amount of time and money....
In the US, monitoring a system like that is considered a no-no legally,
FWIW. I have NO idea what IC has to say in this instance.
Of course, this won't work for anything other than POCSAG (and maybe
GOLAY)
-Alex
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Lamar Lugli wrote:
> I built a few of these 4 level decoders about a year ago. I used the
> 2/4 combined model plan from trunked radio, but changed a few things
> on it for improved performance such as the 2'level op-amp design and
> the pull-up resistors. (more details available on request)
>
> VHF is mostly pocsag paging, while 900mhz (928-932 mhz) range is
> mostly flex. Most paging in general is pretty boring. Ambulance is on
> vhf with pocsag512. One toronto taxi company occupies most of one
> flex channel in 928 range, and the others are mostly real-estate
> people. It is all pretty routine, with the rare funny message for a
> laugh.
>
> I have a good program to decode both pocsag/flex on a 4-level slicer.
> free. I think it is pocflex 2.06, but it has been a while.
>
> Lamar
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 10:28 AM, glen282001
> <unicorn1717@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all.
> >
> > I wanted to build a 4 level FSK decoder circuit, and
> > I was wondering if anyone else in the group has tried this. I have a
> > few questions though...
> > 1) Which circuit worked the best for you?- (i've seen a couple at
> > trunked radio.net)
> > 2) which software decoding program works the best?
> > (there seem to be numerous decoding app's out there for download but
> > some are listed as only working on an evaluation basis... like for
> > 15 minutes at a time!!
> > 3) what is the most prevalent mode in the GTA?
> > Pocsag, super pocsag, or golay? Are the modes encountered specific
> > to any network ie: Rogers wireless, or Bell ?
> > 4) anything interesting to monitor???
> > I'm hoping so, but if not, it would still be a fun project.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Glen H.,
> > Oshawa Scannist
>
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:11:19 -0500
From: Michael Fenech <mfenech@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: pocsag decoding help??
On Monday, January 27, 2003, at 09:48 PM, Chris's Newgroup Email wrote:
> I am having a hard time testing out my data sliced. Does anyone have a
> few "for sure" frequencies in the GTA I can use to test POC32?
Here are a few of the busier channels:
149.770, 163.470, 164.820, 167.100
Some of these may be mixed POCSAG and other formats.
--
Michael Fenech
Toronto, Ontario
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:12:34 -0500
From: Arthur Shulman <dentist@nornet.on.ca>
Subject: Re: pocsag decoding help??
Try 929.290 mhz.If it is active in your area, it transmits POCSAG & FLEX at
various speeds..
Strong enough here in Norfolk county to hear on a crystal set!
Seriously, just for fun I just took a 50 ohm 1/2 watt resistor with
factory-length leads, bent one lead at the tip to secure it in the input BNC,
then bent the rest of the lead to position the resistor vertically. Plugged
it into the spectrum analyzer. Signal read -45dbm corresponding to 1.3
millivolts across 50 ohms. Should be much better with a REAL antenna!
At my location, I filter this one out of the scanner feedpoints to avoid
desense when it comes on, which is nearly continuously daytimes. Busy paging
system!
Arthur
Chris's Newgroup Email wrote:
> I am having a hard time testing out my data sliced. Does anyone have a
> few "for sure" frequencies in the GTA I can use to test POC32?
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Chadis [mailto:alex@chadis.net]
> Sent: January 21, 2003 12:42 PM
> To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Scanont] pocsag decoding help??
>
> You want to find a program called POC32, which will use a scanner and
> your soundcard to decode POCSAG. We used this program when building a
> small system to test and make sure the stuff was going out right. Neat
> program, falses here and there, but for the most part dead on.
>
> I think that'll save the most amount of time and money....
>
> In the US, monitoring a system like that is considered a no-no legally,
> FWIW. I have NO idea what IC has to say in this instance.
>
> Of course, this won't work for anything other than POCSAG (and maybe
> GOLAY)
>
> -Alex
>
> On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Lamar Lugli wrote:
>
> > I built a few of these 4 level decoders about a year ago. I used the
> > 2/4 combined model plan from trunked radio, but changed a few things
> > on it for improved performance such as the 2'level op-amp design and
> > the pull-up resistors. (more details available on request)
> >
> > VHF is mostly pocsag paging, while 900mhz (928-932 mhz) range is
> > mostly flex. Most paging in general is pretty boring. Ambulance is on
>
> > vhf with pocsag512. One toronto taxi company occupies most of one
> > flex channel in 928 range, and the others are mostly real-estate
> > people. It is all pretty routine, with the rare funny message for a
> > laugh.
> >
> > I have a good program to decode both pocsag/flex on a 4-level slicer.
> > free. I think it is pocflex 2.06, but it has been a while.
> >
> > Lamar
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 10:28 AM, glen282001
> > <unicorn1717@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all.
> > >
> > > I wanted to build a 4 level FSK decoder circuit, and
> > > I was wondering if anyone else in the group has tried this. I have a
>
> > > few questions though...
> > > 1) Which circuit worked the best for you?- (i've seen a couple at
> > > trunked radio.net)
> > > 2) which software decoding program works the best?
> > > (there seem to be numerous decoding app's out there for download but
>
> > > some are listed as only working on an evaluation basis... like for
> > > 15 minutes at a time!!
> > > 3) what is the most prevalent mode in the GTA?
> > > Pocsag, super pocsag, or golay? Are the modes encountered specific
> > > to any network ie: Rogers wireless, or Bell ?
> > > 4) anything interesting to monitor???
> > > I'm hoping so, but if not, it would still be a fun project.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Glen H.,
> > > Oshawa Scannist
> >
> >
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:56:21 -0500
From: rsh@idirect.com
Subject: Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
This does not make sense...
The metal detector is applied in the OTHER nation BEFORE one gets on an
airplane, and there you can simply place the scanner in the basket that goes
through X-Ray, or in your carry on which also goes through X-Ray, since that
other nation does NOT consider the scanner illegal.
It does NOT matter that it is known to them that you have the scanner.
Quite frankly, US airport security staff do NOT care what is leaving the
country as long as it is legal IN the US and is not dangerous on the
airplane. So they will NOT care, and on this end no one will scan your body
as you leave the airplane, collect your luggage, and leave the airport.
That is if you fly...
You could also simply drive from NY to ON across a river via the bridge, or
further west or east cross the border at a crossing where there is no water
crossing, or even walk across the bridge/border, and again you would not
undergo a body search.
If you take VIA rail to Toronto or Montreal again you do not undergo a body
search in Canada, so who is going to detect the scanner? Even if they bring
on the drug sniffing dogs, they are not going to sniff out the scanner
(unless you are really dumb and have hidden some drugs in the battery
compartment)...
RSH
----------------
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:45:16 -0500, you wrote:
>But you do undergo a body search. It's called a metal detector. When it
>goes off and you have to remove the radio, I think they'll question why you
>didn't declare it in the first place. And then the fun begins.....
R.S. (Bob) Heuman - Toronto, ON, Canada
===================================================
<rsh@idirect.com> or <rheuman@rogers.com>
Copyright retained.
My opinions - no one elses...
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 06:25:58 -0000
From: "Gord <bassmaster_65321@yahoo.com>" <bassmaster_65321@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
I work at Brant Taxi as a driver and I can tell ya we won't be going
to computerized dispatching anytime soon, just that we have to
implement a digital radio system from what I have been told.
I listen to the radio all day so I really don't listen to it off
duty, the only time I do is before my shift starts or if the weather
is crappy and I can find out if we are swamped and need to come in
early or to find out where my cab is.
At anyrate digital rasio should be interesting!
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 01:32:35 -0500
From: Arthur Shulman <dentist@nornet.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
Nice to hear your comment, Gord. Keep us informed as the project progresses.
Why do you 'have' to implement a digital system? Industry Canada, privacy, or
service quality? Are the radios needing replacement anyway?
Arthur
"Gord " wrote:
> I work at Brant Taxi as a driver and I can tell ya we won't be going
> to computerized dispatching anytime soon, just that we have to
> implement a digital radio system from what I have been told.
>
> I listen to the radio all day so I really don't listen to it off
> duty, the only time I do is before my shift starts or if the weather
> is crappy and I can find out if we are swamped and need to come in
> early or to find out where my cab is.
>
> At anyrate digital rasio should be interesting!
>
> Looking for trunked radio information?
> Try http://www.trunkedradio.net.
>
>
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:49:42 -0000
From: "Gord <bassmaster_65321@yahoo.com>" <bassmaster_65321@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Brant Taxi possibly going digital as well
I'm not in management so I don't have all the direct answers, a
fellow owner operator informed me that it has something to do with
Industry Canada and that the frequency table is being adjusted. Our
radios are/were like the Brantford Police, Motorolas and I just
found they are crappy. Our job is more dangerous than a police
officer and I suspect it's probably from a safety standpoint as
well. There is no helpless feeling like using a radio that's
ineffective when some crazed passenger has a knife at your throat!
When I hear more I'll pass it on, in fact when I get my licence
renewed at the police station I'll ask them, they are the ones who
regulate taxi's in Brantford.
Gord
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, Arthur Shulman <dentist@n...> wrote:
> Nice to hear your comment, Gord. Keep us informed as the project
progresses.
> Why do you 'have' to implement a digital system? Industry Canada,
privacy, or
> service quality? Are the radios needing replacement anyway?
> Arthur
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 05:25:11 -0500
From: ted hay <tedh1@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: pocsag decoding help??
There's a program called Slicer to check your data slicer if its never been
tested before. Its very useful to make sure you have it working properly.
Ted
Chris's Newgroup Email wrote:
>
> I am having a hard time testing out my data sliced. Does anyone have a
> few "for sure" frequencies in the GTA I can use to test POC32?
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Chadis [mailto:alex@chadis.net]
> Sent: January 21, 2003 12:42 PM
> To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Scanont] pocsag decoding help??
>
> You want to find a program called POC32, which will use a scanner and
> your soundcard to decode POCSAG. We used this program when building a
> small system to test and make sure the stuff was going out right. Neat
> program, falses here and there, but for the most part dead on.
>
> I think that'll save the most amount of time and money....
>
> In the US, monitoring a system like that is considered a no-no legally,
> FWIW. I have NO idea what IC has to say in this instance.
>
> Of course, this won't work for anything other than POCSAG (and maybe
> GOLAY)
>
> -Alex
>
> On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Lamar Lugli wrote:
>
> > I built a few of these 4 level decoders about a year ago. I used the
> > 2/4 combined model plan from trunked radio, but changed a few things
> > on it for improved performance such as the 2'level op-amp design and
> > the pull-up resistors. (more details available on request)
> >
> > VHF is mostly pocsag paging, while 900mhz (928-932 mhz) range is
> > mostly flex. Most paging in general is pretty boring. Ambulance is on
>
> > vhf with pocsag512. One toronto taxi company occupies most of one
> > flex channel in 928 range, and the others are mostly real-estate
> > people. It is all pretty routine, with the rare funny message for a
> > laugh.
> >
> > I have a good program to decode both pocsag/flex on a 4-level slicer.
> > free. I think it is pocflex 2.06, but it has been a while.
> >
> > Lamar
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 10:28 AM, glen282001
> > <unicorn1717@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all.
> > >
> > > I wanted to build a 4 level FSK decoder circuit, and
> > > I was wondering if anyone else in the group has tried this. I have a
>
> > > few questions though...
> > > 1) Which circuit worked the best for you?- (i've seen a couple at
> > > trunked radio.net)
> > > 2) which software decoding program works the best?
> > > (there seem to be numerous decoding app's out there for download but
>
> > > some are listed as only working on an evaluation basis... like for
> > > 15 minutes at a time!!
> > > 3) what is the most prevalent mode in the GTA?
> > > Pocsag, super pocsag, or golay? Are the modes encountered specific
> > > to any network ie: Rogers wireless, or Bell ?
> > > 4) anything interesting to monitor???
> > > I'm hoping so, but if not, it would still be a fun project.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Glen H.,
> > > Oshawa Scannist
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > ADVERTISEMENT
> > HGTV Dream Home Giveaway
> >
> > Looking for trunked radio information?
> > Try http://www.trunkedradio.net.
> >
> >
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> >
>
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> Try http://www.trunkedradio.net.
>
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