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Date: Mon Jan 27 2003 - 07:01:05 EST
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There are 18 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: New Scanner
From: ted hay <tedh1@sympatico.ca>
2. Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
From: Arthur Shulman <dentist@nornet.on.ca>
3. Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
From: Steve Jones <s.jones@rogers.com>
4. Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
From: Arthur Shulman <dentist@nornet.on.ca>
5. Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
From: Steve Jones <s.jones@rogers.com>
6. Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
From: Arthur Shulman <dentist@nornet.on.ca>
7.
From: "Mel" <robinson4724@rogers.com>
8. Re:
From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com>
9. Ontario Gov't Radio Network...
From: "rdlebreton <rdlebreton@yahoo.com>" <rdlebreton@yahoo.com>
10. Re: need coax info ??
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
11. Re:
From: "dave_scan1 <dharris@playground.net>" <dharris@playground.net>
12. need coax info ??
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
13. Re: Ontario Gov't Radio Network...
From: "Terry Green" <ve3nsv@rogers.com>
14. Re: Ontario Gov't Radio Network...
From: "dave_scan1 <dharris@playground.net>" <dharris@playground.net>
15. Re: Frequencies
From: "Mike Ciupa <mciupa@excite.com>" <mciupa@excite.com>
16. Re: Frequencies
From: "Mike Ciupa <mciupa@excite.com>" <mciupa@excite.com>
17. Barrie, ON freq. list...
From: "rdlebreton <rdlebreton@yahoo.com>" <rdlebreton@yahoo.com>
18. Re: Border Frequencies
From: "glen282001 <unicorn1717@hotmail.com>" <unicorn1717@hotmail.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 07:11:27 -0500
From: ted hay <tedh1@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: New Scanner
Looks like it won't VHF trunktrack especially if its patterned after the Pro95.
Ted
"Chriss Newsgroup Email " wrote:
>
> Saw this on other NG
>
> http://www.strongsignals.net/access/news/news.cgi?
> type=single§ion=radio&entry=987
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:00:55 -0500
From: Arthur Shulman <dentist@nornet.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
Michael, your comment seems borne out by the fact that LCN 6 has not shown
up. However, I have detected LCN 0-5, 7, & 16.
I have run my analysis software through 5x10.6 cycles
Control has not changed from 857.8375
The system seems to contain 2 Groups, 0 & 1.
Both share the common control channel.
Group 0 Control 857.8375
LCN 0 3 5 7
TG 0111 0119 0191
(police system ?)
Group 1 Control 857.8375
LCN 1 2 3 4 5 16
TG none detected
(future fire system ?)
Is any of the above useful?
Michael Fenech wrote:
> On Saturday, January 25, 2003, at 10:58 PM, wpstinson wrote:
>
> > New frequencies are 857.8375 , 859.2875 , 859.5875 , 859.8375 ,
> > 866.5125 ,
> > 867.7125 , 868.3875
>
> 866.5125 is one of the International tactical channels (ITAC-1) and
> wouldn't be part of the trunk system.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:10:48 -0500
From: Steve Jones <s.jones@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
on 1/26/03 10:00 AM, Arthur Shulman at dentist@nornet.on.ca wrote:
> I have run my analysis software through 5x10.6 cycles
> Control has not changed from 857.8375
> The system seems to contain 2 Groups, 0 & 1.
> Both share the common control channel.
>
> Group 0 Control 857.8375
>
> Group 1 Control 857.8375
Can you explain further? How are you hearing what appears to be two
separate systems on the same control channel?
What analysis software are you using?
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Steve <s.jones@rogers.com>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:16:33 -0500
From: Arthur Shulman <dentist@nornet.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
Using the Trunking Analyzer from Scanstar Deluxe (Signal Intelligence) set to
look at the control channel.
The only other EDACS system I can look at for comparison is the KW system.
The software reports valid results on that one as expected.
My only other explanation is that the Brantford system is still being
configured and indeed, may not be considered a valid subject for analysis
with this software.
I think I should set up Trunker and see what it reports.
In any event, this system (digital) will not be able to be monitored in the
clear.
Not much point in continuing except as a matter of interest.
Any suggestions?
Arthur
Steve Jones wrote:
> on 1/26/03 10:00 AM, Arthur Shulman at dentist@nornet.on.ca wrote:
>
> > I have run my analysis software through 5x10.6 cycles
> > Control has not changed from 857.8375
> > The system seems to contain 2 Groups, 0 & 1.
> > Both share the common control channel.
> >
> > Group 0 Control 857.8375
> >
> > Group 1 Control 857.8375
>
> Can you explain further? How are you hearing what appears to be two
> separate systems on the same control channel?
>
> What analysis software are you using?
>
> --
> Steve <s.jones@rogers.com>
>
> Looking for trunked radio information?
> Try http://www.trunkedradio.net.
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:25:24 -0500
From: Steve Jones <s.jones@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
on 1/26/03 10:16 AM, Arthur Shulman at dentist@nornet.on.ca wrote:
> Using the Trunking Analyzer from Scanstar Deluxe (Signal Intelligence) set to
> look at the control channel.
> The only other EDACS system I can look at for comparison is the KW system.
> The software reports valid results on that one as expected.
> My only other explanation is that the Brantford system is still being
> configured and indeed, may not be considered a valid subject for analysis
> with this software.
> I think I should set up Trunker and see what it reports.
> In any event, this system (digital) will not be able to be monitored in the
> clear.
> Not much point in continuing except as a matter of interest.
> Any suggestions?
> Arthur
Best bet is trunker but as you say, if everybody goes digital then there's
not much to listen to.
Any hints that Public Works etc will be switching over?
--
Steve <s.jones@rogers.com>
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:43:46 -0500
From: Arthur Shulman <dentist@nornet.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
No Steve. The only info I have so far is on the PD/FD useage. I doubt the City
would wish to spend that extra money in the near future, unless there is a serious
concern with the utility/age of the present Pub Works radios. There might be, but I
have heard nothing so far. I will check out your question next week.
Certainly the PD system has been a problem of late. What is interesting is that
only 5 channels have been noted in the newspaper report, but typically the FD needs
a few extra ones for Fireground comms. I think we will see the system expand when
they come on board, in the next month as reported.
Yes, the interesting comms are disappearing as we witness the conversion to
digital. I had occasion to spend some time yesterday in the cab of a towtruck. I
was amazed to see the driver using a multichannel digital phone/2-way radio for his
business comms, a conventional digital cell phone for his personal comms, an an MDT
for precise details of each of his daily callouts (location, vehicle descript,
reason for call, responsible party, time, etc.)
In fact he was able to run the towing operation of the company from the truck as
his own dispatcher, which he did with considerable skill! No office necessary!
No much fun to monitor, but amazing to see in action!
Arthur
Steve Jones wrote:
> on 1/26/03 10:16 AM, Arthur Shulman at dentist@nornet.on.ca wrote:
>
> > Using the Trunking Analyzer from Scanstar Deluxe (Signal Intelligence) set to
> > look at the control channel.
> > The only other EDACS system I can look at for comparison is the KW system.
> > The software reports valid results on that one as expected.
> > My only other explanation is that the Brantford system is still being
> > configured and indeed, may not be considered a valid subject for analysis
> > with this software.
> > I think I should set up Trunker and see what it reports.
> > In any event, this system (digital) will not be able to be monitored in the
> > clear.
> > Not much point in continuing except as a matter of interest.
> > Any suggestions?
> > Arthur
>
> Best bet is trunker but as you say, if everybody goes digital then there's
> not much to listen to.
>
> Any hints that Public Works etc will be switching over?
>
> --
> Steve <s.jones@rogers.com>
>
> Looking for trunked radio information?
> Try http://www.trunkedradio.net.
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:36:12 -0500
From: "Mel" <robinson4724@rogers.com>
Subject:
Not sure if this has been posted before if so sorry. They probably would not allow it into Canada anyway, legally that is.
Rich's StrongSignals site has a seemingly credible report about GRE & Radio
Shack working on a digital scanner that - if the story is accurate - may well
give Uniden some really BIG competition. Will do 9600 baud, and no extra "APCO
card" needed.
http://www.strongsignals.net/access/news/news.cgi?type=single§ion=radio&entry=987
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:44:42 +0000
From: Bryan <bryanpass@rogers.com>
Subject: Re:
> Not sure if this has been posted before if so sorry.
> They probably would not allow it into Canada anyway,
> legally that is.
This was posted here a few days ago.
But you're right about it giving Uniden a run for their money. Seriously though, I've never been a fan of GRE's scanners. A little too boxy for my tastes.
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:31:04 -0000
From: "rdlebreton <rdlebreton@yahoo.com>" <rdlebreton@yahoo.com>
Subject: Ontario Gov't Radio Network...
Does anyone have any information or links on the new radio network
the Ont. Gov't has implemented?
I can't listen to the OPP anymore. :(
Waah!!
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:27:47 -0500
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
Subject: Re: need coax info ??
If you decide to upgrade to LMR 400 I just received another several hundred feet of it. It's new, never used end of the roll and most lengths are about 40-60 feet with some around 100 feet. One dollar/foot, that's about half price. I don't think it will last until spring although I may get more by then.
J.
"Just watch me." Pierre Elliot Trudeau 1970
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From: Steve St. Denis
To: scanont ; oufg
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 14:08 PM
Subject: [Scanont] need coax info ??
I will be putting my scanner antenna outside this spring and was wondering if I can get some info on this subject. I have 50 FT of rgu8 or rg8 coaxial cable and I have 100 FT of rgu58 coaxial cable, can I run the rgu8 thick coaxial cable from my antenna and then connect the rgu58 coaxial cable to finish the run to the house or will I cause a problem with to much cable signal loose or will it cause some other problems with receiving signals on my scanner ?? I would like too use this cable instead of buying new coaxial cable. ???
Steve
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:45:33 -0000
From: "dave_scan1 <dharris@playground.net>" <dharris@playground.net>
Subject: Re:
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, Bryan <bryanpass@r...> wrote:
> > Not sure if this has been posted before if so sorry.
> > They probably would not allow it into Canada anyway,
> > legally that is.
>
> This was posted here a few days ago.
>
> But you're right about it giving Uniden a run for their money.
>Seriously though, I've never been a fan of GRE's scanners. A little
>too boxy for my tastes.
Form factors aside, I don't like the GRE operating "paradigm" much
on the PRO-92, versus Uniden's. If this new radio is to useful in
these parts, let's hope (and suggest to GRE) that unlike the
PRO-95, it should work on VHF Motorola systems.
Dave
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:17:14 -0500
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
Subject: need coax info ??
I'll keep you in mind, the first thing I want to do is measure out just how
much I'm going to need for the run from the antenna to the scanner and see
if I can use either of my coaxial and not have to run two different lengths.
Steve
> If you decide to upgrade to LMR 400 I just received another several
hundred feet of it. It's new, never used end of the roll and most lengths
are about 40-60 feet with some around 100 feet. One dollar/foot, that's
about half price. I don't think it will last until spring although I may get
more by then.
>
> J.
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:26:49 -0800
From: "Terry Green" <ve3nsv@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Ontario Gov't Radio Network...
Visit http://www.trunkedradio.net. and you fill find all the info you need!
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From: rdlebreton <rdlebreton@yahoo.com>
To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 12:31 PM
Subject: [Scanont] Ontario Gov't Radio Network...
Does anyone have any information or links on the new radio network
the Ont. Gov't has implemented?
I can't listen to the OPP anymore. :(
Waah!!
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:03:53 -0000
From: "dave_scan1 <dharris@playground.net>" <dharris@playground.net>
Subject: Re: Ontario Gov't Radio Network...
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Green" <ve3nsv@r...> wrote:
> Visit http://www.trunkedradio.net. and you fill find all the info
you need!
On that site, go to the TRS Database (you need to register first)
and look up Ontario systems, or search on Motorola system IDs 782d
and 822f.
Dave
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:11:44 -0000
From: "Mike Ciupa <mciupa@excite.com>" <mciupa@excite.com>
Subject: Re: Frequencies
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, Zach Samson <phillyflyers50@c...>
wrote:
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> I was wondering if anybody had border patrol freqs as well?
Border Patrol 163.425
U.S. Customs 165.240
U.S. Marshalls 164.600
-Mike
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:12:02 -0000
From: "Mike Ciupa <mciupa@excite.com>" <mciupa@excite.com>
Subject: Re: Frequencies
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, Zach Samson <phillyflyers50@c...>
wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anybody had border patrol freqs as well?
Border Patrol 163.425
U.S. Customs 165.240
U.S. Marshalls 164.600
-Mike
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:15:47 -0000
From: "rdlebreton <rdlebreton@yahoo.com>" <rdlebreton@yahoo.com>
Subject: Barrie, ON freq. list...
I just uploaded a list of Barrie, ON frequencies from the IC Ontario
database I compiled (as of Apr 02). It's in MS Excel 97 format.
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 02:39:16 -0000
From: "glen282001 <unicorn1717@hotmail.com>" <unicorn1717@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Border Frequencies
hi
Should be 163.625 Border patrol,Buffalo area.
Lots of reference to Nextel use, but sometimes when conducting
operations, they use this
I found that it helped when I used an outdoor antenna, although some
routine stuff,like check-ins can be copied from Oshawa O.K. with just
my back of set antenna.
Also check 261.900, 340.800, and 157.075, and some other U.S. Coast
grd. freqs for joint operations, between agencies.
165.2400 (165.2375) can be heard with lots of license checks (US
Customs) Also lots of encrypted comms as well, not like the good old
days :)
163.675 border patrol Niagara Falls -less frequently heard
Some other good channels for bulletins, and such, are:
453.525
New York State Thruway Police, 154.755 Niagara County Sheriff,
and 155.505 NYSP dispatch.
regards,
Glen H.
Oshawa
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