From: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun Jan 26 2003 - 07:28:11 EST
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There are 24 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Frequencies
From: Zach Samson <phillyflyers50@comcast.net>
2. Wills Bus Lines
From: Bryce Lee <shpbur@interlynx.net>
3. Re: HAM - Kenwood TH-235A Portable
From: "Peter K. Hodgson <va3pkh@rac.ca>" <va3pkh@rac.ca>
4. Re: HAM - Kenwood TH-235A Portable
From: "Peter K. Hodgson <va3pkh@rac.ca>" <va3pkh@rac.ca>
5. Re: Wills Bus Lines
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
6. Re: Frequencies
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
7. Boat freques for great lakes
From: "John H" <sudsyjkh@softhome.net>
8. Re: Frequencies
From: "Mike Ciupa <mciupa@excite.com>" <mciupa@excite.com>
9. Re: Wills Bus Lines
From: "Matthew <mbstone99@yahoo.com>" <mbstone99@yahoo.com>
10. Re: Boat freques for great lakes
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
11. need coax info ??
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
12. Re: Boat freques for great lakes
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
13. Re: Boat freques for great lakes
From: "dave_scan1 <dharris@playground.net>" <dharris@playground.net>
14. Re: need coax info ??
From: "Len G. Carpenter" <Len.C@sympatico.ca>
15. New Scanner
From: "Chriss Newsgroup Email <group@irisreg.com>" <group@irisreg.com>
16. Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
From: Arthur Shulman <dentist@nornet.on.ca>
17. Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
From: Chris Fortner <forts@rogers.com>
18. Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
From: Arthur Shulman <dentist@nornet.on.ca>
19. Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
From: Chris Fortner <forts@rogers.com>
20. Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
From: "wpstinson" <wpstinson@sprint.ca>
21. EDACS news....
From: Chris Fortner <forts@rogers.com>
22. Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
From: Steve Jones <s.jones@rogers.com>
23. Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
From: Arthur Shulman <dentist@nornet.on.ca>
24. Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
From: Michael Fenech <mfenech@sympatico.ca>
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:05:31 -0500
From: Zach Samson <phillyflyers50@comcast.net>
Subject: Frequencies
Hello,
I was wondering if anybody had frequencies for Buckhorn,ON and Lindsay,ON? Maybe border patrol freqs as well? Any good scanner sites for Ontario?
Thanks,
Zach
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 08:34:21 -0500
From: Bryce Lee <shpbur@interlynx.net>
Subject: Wills Bus Lines
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:40:12 -0500
> From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
>Subject: thanks for the info on frequency
>
>Ok Michael, I think this is why from time to time when I do Searches for a
>company name I can't find their frequencies because it may be under a number
>account.
>Steve
>
>Also thanks to Matthew I did not know that BINBROOK, ONT was a part of
>Hamilton Ont., boy I should have known that : - (
>Steve
Some history...
Wills Motors is an old-time (over 75 years in existence) Chevrolet
dealer located at one time in both Delhi and Smithville. I make the
distinction as a Chevy dealer, as they have always been staunchly
Chevy as opposed to one of those fancy all lines GM dealer <g>.
The bus lines division is an offshoot of the garage business; not so
unusual years ago. These days the
bus/highway coach business is located in Binbrook which used to be an
area outside of Hamilton. With the amalgamation of surrounding fringe
areas a year or more ago, Binbrook is now considered part of Hamilton
as opposed to Hamilton-Wentworth (the county) as in the past.
Bryce Lee,
Burlington, Ontario
Canada.
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 15:08:46 -0000
From: "Peter K. Hodgson <va3pkh@rac.ca>" <va3pkh@rac.ca>
Subject: Re: HAM - Kenwood TH-235A Portable
Kenwood information on the web shows CTCSS encode as standard
CTCSS decode as an option for that model.
Could it be that the option is not installed ?
If you upload the manual page perhaps I can help.
How far east are you ? I am in Belleville.
Peter
VA3PKH
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, "Randy <Champ@s...>" <Champ@s...>
wrote:
> My questions are this. As I understand it, this radio does have
the
> CTCSS Tone board in it. I would like to use this feature, for
> scanning the OPP out here in my area. (Eastern Ont.) (It'll be
> awhile before they switch over here anyways, so it doesn't matter)
>
> Anyhow, I can't figure out how to program the tone feature for
> example 141.195 and 141.39 (The two main ch's in my area)which has
a
> tone of 107.2
>
>
> Randy
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 15:32:48 -0000
From: "Peter K. Hodgson <va3pkh@rac.ca>" <va3pkh@rac.ca>
Subject: Re: HAM - Kenwood TH-235A Portable
After my first reply, I realised the manual was posted.
Would appear that the optional CTCSS gives the option of separate
and different transmitt tones. The wording on page 19 of the .pdf
(13 of the manual) infers encode and decode with the same tone are
standard.
So "A" toggles tone on /off indicated by a "t" in the display
To select tone press "F" "A' turn tune until display indicates 107.2
Press "MONI" "D" to exit
Hope that works
73
Peter
VA3PKH
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:47:57 -0500
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Wills Bus Lines
thanks Bryce for all the information, this one of the reasons I joined this
group because of all of the good information you can get from people, and
your not going to find that kind of info in any books that I know of.
Steve
>
> Wills Motors is an old-time (over 75 years in existence) Chevrolet
> dealer located at one time in both Delhi and Smithville. I make the
> distinction as a Chevy dealer, as they have always been staunchly
> Chevy as opposed to one of those fancy all lines GM dealer <g>.
>
> The bus lines division is an offshoot of the garage business; not so
> unusual years ago. These days the
> bus/highway coach business is located in Binbrook which used to be an
> area outside of Hamilton. With the amalgamation of surrounding fringe
> areas a year or more ago, Binbrook is now considered part of Hamilton
> as opposed to Hamilton-Wentworth (the county) as in the past.
> Bryce Lee,
> Burlington, Ontario
> Canada.
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:02:44 -0500
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Frequencies
go to this link and do your searches for the frequencies you want, this is
the Canadian Government TAFL Lists.
Steve
http://neon.polkaroo.net/~darkwing/tafl/
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if anybody had frequencies for Buckhorn,ON and Lindsay,ON?
Maybe border patrol freqs as well? Any good scanner sites for Ontario?
> Thanks,
> Zach
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:52:26 -0500
From: "John H" <sudsyjkh@softhome.net>
Subject: Boat freques for great lakes
Hi all..I think this may have been asked a while back, but here it goes:
Is there a listing of frequencies for marine traffic on the great lakes? Commercial and/or pleasure/coast guard...specifically I'm talking about lake Huron.
Thanks
-John
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John
Mr. DTV
ICQ#: 132262179
Current ICQ status:
+ More ways to contact me
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:59:13 -0000
From: "Mike Ciupa <mciupa@excite.com>" <mciupa@excite.com>
Subject: Re: Frequencies
--- In scanont@yahoogroups.com, Zach Samson <phillyflyers50@c...>
wrote:
> I was wondering if anybody had frequencies for Buckhorn,ON and
Lindsay,ON?
156.425 Mhz for the marina in Buckhorn
151.910 & 149.320 for ambulance in the Lindsay area.
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:41:25 -0000
From: "Matthew <mbstone99@yahoo.com>" <mbstone99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Wills Bus Lines
Your welcome Steve.. not at problem. :)
Matthew Stone
Ontario Unlisted Frequency Guide/oufg Yahoogroup
http://oufg.webhop.net/
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 13:03:08 -0500
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Boat freques for great lakes
John, Try this Link for your marine frequencies
Steve
http://www.noftc.com/Marine%20Frequencies.htm
> Hi all..I think this may have been asked a while back, but here it goes:
> Is there a listing of frequencies for marine traffic on the great lakes?
Commercial and/or pleasure/coast guard...specifically I'm talking about lake
Huron.
> Thanks
> -John
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:08:16 -0500
From: "Steve St. Denis" <steve.st@sympatico.ca>
Subject: need coax info ??
I will be putting my scanner antenna outside this spring and was wondering if I can get some info on this subject. I have 50 FT of rgu8 or rg8 coaxial cable and I have 100 FT of rgu58 coaxial cable, can I run the rgu8 thick coaxial cable from my antenna and then connect the rgu58 coaxial cable to finish the run to the house or will I cause a problem with to much cable signal loose or will it cause some other problems with receiving signals on my scanner ?? I would like too use this cable instead of buying new coaxial cable. ???
Steve
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:16:38 -0500
From: "radio" <radio@slakeyourthirst.com>
Subject: Re: Boat freques for great lakes
Here's a couple more good links.
J.
www.boatnerd.com
http://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/cen-arc/mcts-sctm/index_e.htm
"Just watch me." Pierre Elliot Trudeau 1970
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve St. Denis
To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 13:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Scanont] Boat freques for great lakes
John, Try this Link for your marine frequencies
Steve
http://www.noftc.com/Marine%20Frequencies.htm
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:16:33 -0000
From: "dave_scan1 <dharris@playground.net>" <dharris@playground.net>
Subject: Re: Boat freques for great lakes
See message # 13406 on this board.
Dave
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:22:27 -0500
From: "Len G. Carpenter" <Len.C@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: need coax info ??
Well rg8u is not the best to use if you want to listen to anything over about 400Mhz and with a barrel connector in there and then the 100 feet of rg58 you will be loosing so much signal you might be better off with a rubber duckie or back of set.
"Steve St. Denis" wrote:
> I will be putting my scanner antenna outside this spring and was wondering if I can get some info on this subject. I have 50 FT of rgu8 or rg8 coaxial cable and I have 100 FT of rgu58 coaxial cable, can I run the rgu8 thick coaxial cable from my antenna and then connect the rgu58 coaxial cable to finish the run to the house or will I cause a problem with to much cable signal loose or will it cause some other problems with receiving signals on my scanner ?? I would like too use this cable instead of buying new coaxial cable. ???
> Steve
>
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> Looking for trunked radio information?
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:59:47 -0000
From: "Chriss Newsgroup Email <group@irisreg.com>" <group@irisreg.com>
Subject: New Scanner
Saw this on other NG
http://www.strongsignals.net/access/news/news.cgi?
type=single§ion=radio&entry=987
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:51:38 -0500
From: Arthur Shulman <dentist@nornet.on.ca>
Subject: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
In a news item reported today in the Brantford Expositor (Expositor
Staff), Brantford City Police Services have been operating their new 800
mhz trunked system since last Monday in parallel with their existing VHS
(sic) system.
According to the report, Brantford Fire is expected to join the PD on
the new system within a month.
The system, by Tyco Electronics, presently is composed of 110 portables
in police vehicles.
Except for a comment that it is a five channel (one control channel)
digital voice system, no other information of a technical nature was
reported in the newspaper.
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 22:40:14 -0500
From: Chris Fortner <forts@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
At 09:51 PM 1/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>In a news item reported today in the Brantford Expositor (Expositor
>Staff), Brantford City Police Services have been operating their new 800
>mhz trunked system since last Monday in parallel with their existing VHS
>(sic) system.
>According to the report, Brantford Fire is expected to join the PD on
>the new system within a month.
>The system, by Tyco Electronics, presently is composed of 110 portables
>in police vehicles.
>Except for a comment that it is a five channel (one control channel)
>digital voice system, no other information of a technical nature was
>reported in the newspaper.
Must be an EDACS system, if it's provided by Tyco Electronics...
Chris Fortner
London, Ontario Canada
forts@rogers.com
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 22:44:02 -0500
From: Arthur Shulman <dentist@nornet.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
Yes, Chris, I have heard privately that it was EDACS encrypted, but didn't
want to interject my own opinion. Have you heard any frequency info?
I tried searching the Tyco web pages, but didn't learn anything.re types of
systems they tender.
Arthur
Chris Fortner wrote:
> At 09:51 PM 1/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >In a news item reported today in the Brantford Expositor (Expositor
> >Staff), Brantford City Police Services have been operating their new 800
> >mhz trunked system since last Monday in parallel with their existing VHS
> >(sic) system.
> >According to the report, Brantford Fire is expected to join the PD on
> >the new system within a month.
> >The system, by Tyco Electronics, presently is composed of 110 portables
> >in police vehicles.
> >Except for a comment that it is a five channel (one control channel)
> >digital voice system, no other information of a technical nature was
> >reported in the newspaper.
>
> Must be an EDACS system, if it's provided by Tyco Electronics...
>
> Chris Fortner
> London, Ontario Canada
> forts@rogers.com
>
> Looking for trunked radio information?
> Try http://www.trunkedradio.net.
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 22:54:51 -0500
From: Chris Fortner <forts@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
At 10:44 PM 1/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Yes, Chris, I have heard privately that it was EDACS encrypted, but didn't
>want to interject my own opinion. Have you heard any frequency info?
>I tried searching the Tyco web pages, but didn't learn anything.re types of
>systems they tender.
No, I haven't heard anything frequency wise yet but will keep a
lookout. As for web site info, try:
http://www.macom-wireless.com/about/default.asp
The Tyco Electronics site will take you to the Ma/Com site, but it's a lot
of clicking. I work for a division of Tyco Fire & Security and can hardly
find my way around our own site :)
Chris Fortner
London, Ontario Canada
forts@rogers.com
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 22:58:18 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
From: "wpstinson" <wpstinson@sprint.ca>
Subject: Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
New frequencies are 857.8375 , 859.2875 , 859.5875 , 859.8375 , 866.5125 ,
867.7125 , 868.3875
I had searched them out a while back on IC web site.
William Stinson
Company - WP Stinson
Owner - William Stinson
Bus Web - http://pages.sprint.ca/wps/
Personal Web - http://pages.sprint.ca/wps /
E-Mail - mailto.wpstinson@sprint.ca
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From: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 25, 2003 22:51:03
To: scanont@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Scanont] Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
Yes, Chris, I have heard privately that it was EDACS encrypted, but didn't
want to interject my own opinion. Have you heard any frequency info?
I tried searching the Tyco web pages, but didn't learn anything.re types of
systems they tender.
Arthur
Chris Fortner wrote:
> At 09:51 PM 1/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >In a news item reported today in the Brantford Expositor (Expositor
> >Staff), Brantford City Police Services have been operating their new 800
> >mhz trunked system since last Monday in parallel with their existing VHS
> >(sic) system.
> >According to the report, Brantford Fire is expected to join the PD on
> >the new system within a month.
> >The system, by Tyco Electronics, presently is composed of 110 portables
> >in police vehicles.
> >Except for a comment that it is a five channel (one control channel)
> >digital voice system, no other information of a technical nature was
> >reported in the newspaper.
>
> Must be an EDACS system, if it's provided by Tyco Electronics...
>
> Chris Fortner
> London, Ontario Canada
> forts@rogers.com
>
> Looking for trunked radio information?
> Try http://www.trunkedradio.net.
>
>
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:02:39 -0500
From: Chris Fortner <forts@rogers.com>
Subject: EDACS news....
Sorta old news (Aug 12/2002) but the 1st I'd heard of it... You can read
the pull posting at
http://www.macom-wireless.com/news/pressdetail.asp?id=35 The bit about
trunked radio scanners was intriguing!
APCO 2002, Nashville, TN., Aug. 12, 2002 – M/A-COM, Inc., a leading
manufacturer of critical radio systems deployed around the world, today
announced availability of the latest upgrades for the company’s Enhanced
Digital Access Communications System (EDACS) to meet customers on-going
voice and data needs. The new enhancements to EDACS provide improved levels
of security, capacity and technology integration, offering customers a
reliable and trusted solution for a wide variety of critical communications
needs.
“M/A-COM is committed to working with our EDACS customers to offer improved
services as their communications needs evolve and new technologies become
available,” says Dennis Maddox, Product Manager of Systems and
Infrastructure, M/A-COM. “M/A-COM recognizes the significant investment our
customers are making in their communications systems and the importance of
selecting the right technologies coupled with the ability of the system to
grow and adapt as users’ needs change. We strive to ensure that our
customers achieve the maximum return on their investment now and in the
future.”
Security
Security is a crucial feature of any critical communications system as any
security breach on a system compromises its effectiveness and that of the
public safety professionals that rely on it. EDACS Security Key (ESK)
addresses this need through several unique features:
• ESK allows each customer to define a unique security code that is
programmed into the radio products and site equipment. During normal
operation, if the code stored in the radio and site do not match, the radio
will not receive calls from or transmit calls to that particular site
• ESK prevents trunked radio scanners from monitoring radio traffic on an
EDACS site
• ESK offers restricted access to radio programming. Once a radio has been
programmed with an ESK security code, that radio cannot be read or altered
unless the specific code is provided by the user.
Chris Fortner
London, Ontario Canada
forts@rogers.com
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:06:59 -0500
From: Steve Jones <s.jones@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz
on 1/25/03 10:44 PM, Arthur Shulman at dentist@nornet.on.ca wrote:
> Yes, Chris, I have heard privately that it was EDACS encrypted, but didn't
> want to interject my own opinion. Have you heard any frequency info?
Probably just Provoice digital without the encryption.
Unfortunately, the new APCO25 scanner won't do it.
-- Steve <s.jones@rogers.com> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 23 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:41:05 -0500 From: Arthur Shulman <dentist@nornet.on.ca> Subject: Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz Thanks for the frequencies, Bill. I am checking that info now. Have verified LCN 1,2,3,5 but will likely have to let Analyzer run for a long time to get all the active channels. I will monitor the VHF systems simultaneously for correlation. I don't expect to get much out of this, but it will be an instructive exercise. Sigs are very strong here: Control channel LCN1 857.8375 @ -60dbm, BER @ 0.00% in 150k samples Arthur ********************* wpstinson wrote: > New frequencies are 857.8375 , 859.2875 , 859.5875 , 859.8375 , 866.5125 , > 867.7125 , 868.3875 > > I had searched them out a while back on IC web site. > > William Stinson > > Company - WP Stinson > Owner - William Stinson > Bus Web - http://pages.sprint.ca/wps/ > Personal Web - http://pages.sprint.ca/wps / > E-Mail - mailto.wpstinson@sprint.ca > > -------Original Message------- > > From: scanont@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, January 25, 2003 22:51:03 > To: scanont@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Scanont] Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz > > Yes, Chris, I have heard privately that it was EDACS encrypted, but didn't > want to interject my own opinion. Have you heard any frequency info? > I tried searching the Tyco web pages, but didn't learn anything.re types of > systems they tender. > Arthur > > Chris Fortner wrote: > > > At 09:51 PM 1/25/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >In a news item reported today in the Brantford Expositor (Expositor > > >Staff), Brantford City Police Services have been operating their new 800 > > >mhz trunked system since last Monday in parallel with their existing VHS > > >(sic) system. > > >According to the report, Brantford Fire is expected to join the PD on > > >the new system within a month. > > >The system, by Tyco Electronics, presently is composed of 110 portables > > >in police vehicles. > > >Except for a comment that it is a five channel (one control channel) > > >digital voice system, no other information of a technical nature was > > >reported in the newspaper. > > > > Must be an EDACS system, if it's provided by Tyco Electronics... > > > > Chris Fortner > > London, Ontario Canada > > forts@rogers.com > > > > Looking for trunked radio information? > > Try http://www.trunkedradio.net. > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > Looking for trunked radio information? > Try http://www.trunkedradio.net. > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Looking for trunked radio information? > Try http://www.trunkedradio.net. > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 24 Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 02:41:41 -0500 From: Michael Fenech <mfenech@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Brantford PD/FD go to 800mhz On Saturday, January 25, 2003, at 10:58 PM, wpstinson wrote: > New frequencies are 857.8375 , 859.2875 , 859.5875 , 859.8375 , > 866.5125 , > 867.7125 , 868.3875 866.5125 is one of the International tactical channels (ITAC-1) and wouldn't be part of the trunk system. -- Michael Fenech Toronto, Ontario ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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