| From | Stephen Cheshire |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2005-01-20 15:08:00 UTC ago |
| Subject | .dra files and Acoustic Optimizer |
I was not aware that the Acoustic Optimizer relied on .dra files. It was my
impression that corrections are stored in some sort of "archive" which
Dragon references during the Acoustic Optimizer. Given that I have the
option to save a .dra file turned off and can still run the Acoustic
Optimizer, it must rely on other sources. However, I am interested to know
if .dra files are also included in the Acoustic Optimizer.
Regards,
Stephen L. Cheshire, Ph.D.
Clinical Psychology
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| From | Judy Evans |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2005-01-20 19:39:30 UTC ago |
| Subject | .dra files and Acoustic Optimizer |
Stephen
It doesn't rely on .dra files; I always deleted mine when I used 7.0.
8.0 has no .dra files (of that kind)
SC> I was not aware that the Acoustic Optimizer relied on .dra files. It was my
SC> impression that corrections are stored in some sort of "archive" which
SC> Dragon references during the Acoustic Optimizer. Given that I have the
SC> option to save a .dra file turned off and can still run the Acoustic
SC> Optimizer, it must rely on other sources. However, I am interested to know
SC> if .dra files are also included in the Acoustic Optimizer.
SC> Regards,
SC> Stephen L. Cheshire, Ph.D.
SC> Clinical Psychology
SC> O:706.635.8878
SC> F:706.635.3588
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| From | Willi Sander |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2005-01-20 19:49:25 UTC ago |
| Subject | .dra files and Acoustic Optimizer |
Judy,
you are mistaken in this point. Look into your user file there is a file
called voicecontainer and inside you have your drafiles.
AO definitely relys on dra (and the corrections made). However the user
cannot really influence the storage of the dra-files. Even if the option
save a .dra file is turned off.
Willi
Judy Evans wrote:
>Stephen
>
>It doesn't rely on .dra files; I always deleted mine when I used 7.0.
> 8.0 has no .dra files (of that kind)
>
>
>
>
>SC> I was not aware that the Acoustic Optimizer relied on .dra files. It was my
>SC> impression that corrections are stored in some sort of "archive" which
>SC> Dragon references during the Acoustic Optimizer. Given that I have the
>SC> option to save a .dra file turned off and can still run the Acoustic
>SC> Optimizer, it must rely on other sources. However, I am interested to know
>SC> if .dra files are also included in the Acoustic Optimizer.
>
>SC> Regards,
>
>
>SC> Stephen L. Cheshire, Ph.D.
>SC> Clinical Psychology
>SC> O:706.635.8878
>SC> F:706.635.3588
>
>
>
>
.
| From | Bruce Cyr |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2005-01-20 20:17:20 UTC ago |
| Subject | .dra files and Acoustic Optimizer |
Yah, that sucker has a lot of data in it! That means the more users you
have, the more of these you get. I noticed the last time I backed up my
7.3 files before upgrading to 8.0 that they filled the disk volume to
which I was copying them. It turns out my four users averaged about
200MB apiece!
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Willi Sander" <no.spam@mail.pls>
To: "Judy Evans" <no.spam@mail.pls>
Cc: "'VoiceGroup (E-mail)'" <no.spam@mail.pls>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [VG] .dra files and Acoustic Optimizer
>
> Judy,
> you are mistaken in this point. Look into your user file there is a
file
> called voicecontainer and inside you have your drafiles.
> AO definitely relys on dra (and the corrections made). However the
user
> cannot really influence the storage of the dra-files. Even if the
option
>
> save a .dra file is turned off.
>
> Willi
>
>
> Judy Evans wrote:
>
> >Stephen
> >
> >It doesn't rely on .dra files; I always deleted mine when I used 7.0.
> > 8.0 has no .dra files (of that kind)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >SC> I was not aware that the Acoustic Optimizer relied on .dra files.
It was my
> >SC> impression that corrections are stored in some sort of "archive"
which
> >SC> Dragon references during the Acoustic Optimizer. Given that I
have the
> >SC> option to save a .dra file turned off and can still run the
Acoustic
> >SC> Optimizer, it must rely on other sources. However, I am
interested to know
> >SC> if .dra files are also included in the Acoustic Optimizer.
> >
> >SC> Regards,
> >
> >
> >SC> Stephen L. Cheshire, Ph.D.
> >SC> Clinical Psychology
> >SC> O:706.635.8878
> >SC> F:706.635.3588
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
| From | Judy Evans |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2005-01-20 20:28:19 UTC ago |
| Subject | .dra files and Acoustic Optimizer |
Willi,
WS> Judy,
WS> you are mistaken in this point. Look into your user file there is a file
WS> called voicecontainer and inside you have your drafiles.
WS> AO definitely relys on dra (and the corrections made).
First,I found it! sorry -- I was looking for a dra folder!
Second
However the user
WS> cannot really influence the storage of the dra-files.
I rather think you're wrong: I believe Options, Data, Conserve Disk
Space, stops the .dra files being stored.
WS> Even if the option
WS> save a .dra file is turned off.
that's a different kind of .dra file
Judy
WS> Willi
WS> Judy Evans wrote:
>>Stephen
>>
>>It doesn't rely on .dra files; I always deleted mine when I used 7.0.
>> 8.0 has no .dra files (of that kind)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>SC> I was not aware that the Acoustic Optimizer relied on .dra files. It was my
>>SC> impression that corrections are stored in some sort of "archive" which
--
.
| From | Richards |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2005-01-20 21:17:43 UTC ago |
| Subject | .dra files and Acoustic Optimizer |
Hi guys -- I pose this question: Could there be TWO TYPES of .dra
files - each with a different purpose? It seems (and I am guessing
here) that .dra files are the sound files saved with the dictation
output (a text file of some sort) and these are kept someplace; AND that
.dra associated with corrections are stored as you describe in a
special directory, used by the AO.
Thus, we might have one type of .dra files which can be turned off (i.e.
the ones I mention first); and another which are buried in a special
directory, containing corrections used for the AO, which are not
affected by the options switch you mention.
Hmmm... But, then again,... maybe not.
I think it is at least possible.
Anyone know enough to rebut this hypothesis (and that is all that it
is....)
---- Richards
========================================================
Willi Sander wrote:
> Judy,
> you are mistaken in this point. Look into your user file there is a file
> called voicecontainer and inside you have your drafiles.
> AO definitely relys on dra (and the corrections made). However the user
> cannot really influence the storage of the dra-files. Even if the option
>
> save a .dra file is turned off.
| From | Margaret Berson |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2005-01-20 21:37:26 UTC ago |
| Subject | .dra files and Acoustic Optimizer |
I thought it was just a question of whether the .DRA files are SAVED after the
voice session is closed? Doesn't the option say whether it saves them, not
creates them?
Margaret
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 1/20/2005 at 4:17 PM Richards wrote:
>Hi guys -- I pose this question: Could there be TWO TYPES of .dra
>files - each with a different purpose? It seems (and I am guessing
>here) that .dra files are the sound files saved with the dictation
>output (a text file of some sort) and these are kept someplace; AND that
>.dra associated with corrections are stored as you describe in a
>special directory, used by the AO.
>
>Thus, we might have one type of .dra files which can be turned off (i.e.
>the ones I mention first); and another which are buried in a special
>directory, containing corrections used for the AO, which are not
>affected by the options switch you mention.
>
>Hmmm... But, then again,... maybe not.
>I think it is at least possible.
>
>Anyone know enough to rebut this hypothesis (and that is all that it
>is....)
>
>
>---- Richards
>
>========================================================
>
>
>
>Willi Sander wrote:
>> Judy,
>> you are mistaken in this point. Look into your user file there is a file
>> called voicecontainer and inside you have your drafiles.
>> AO definitely relys on dra (and the corrections made). However the user
>> cannot really influence the storage of the dra-files. Even if the option
>>
>> save a .dra file is turned off.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
| From | Chambers, Matt |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2005-01-20 21:41:17 UTC ago |
| Subject | .dra files and Acoustic Optimizer |
This is basically true, but you can set Dragon not to save either type.
First, there are the *.dra files that are saved with specific dictated documents, usually in the same directory as the document itself. You can stop these being saved by unchecking Save Recorded Dictation with Document. (I uncheck this.)
Second, there are the *.dra files that Willi pointed out, usually in the voice_container\drafiles folder. You can stop these by checking Conserve Disk Space Required by User Files (for Portability). (I don't uncheck this.)
I understand that you can run the Acoustic Optimizer without saving either category of these files, and it will analyze just the data in your acarchive.nwv file. If you save the second category of *.dra files, however, the AO will analyze the data in those files, too. This is what I do.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richards []
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 4:18 p.m.
To: Willi Sander
Cc: Judy Evans; 'VoiceGroup (E-mail)'
Subject: Re: [VG] .dra files and Acoustic Optimizer
Hi guys -- I pose this question: Could there be TWO TYPES of .dra
files - each with a different purpose? It seems (and I am guessing
here) that .dra files are the sound files saved with the dictation
output (a text file of some sort) and these are kept someplace; AND that
.dra associated with corrections are stored as you describe in a
special directory, used by the AO.
Thus, we might have one type of .dra files which can be turned off (i.e.
Hmmm... But, then again,... maybe not.
I think it is at least possible.
Anyone know enough to rebut this hypothesis (and that is all that it
is....)
---- Richards
========================================================
Willi Sander wrote:
> Judy,
> you are mistaken in this point. Look into your user file there is a file
> called voicecontainer and inside you have your drafiles.
> AO definitely relys on dra (and the corrections made). However the user
> cannot really influence the storage of the dra-files. Even if the option
>
> save a .dra file is turned off.
| From | Bruce Cyr |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2005-01-20 21:54:51 UTC ago |
| Subject | .dra files and Acoustic Optimizer |
According to Help "Conserve Disk Space Required by User Files (for
Portability)""
"Instructs the software to maintain a smaller set of user files so that
you can more easily move them from computer to computer."
That sounds more like limiting the size of the user files rather than
stopping their collection. OTOH, this same Help page later says about
the Advanced tab:
"Click this button to open the Advanced dialog box containing options to
create a usability log, conserve the amount of disk space required by
user files, and to enable the collection of acoustic data that ScanSoft
can use to enhance the accuracy of Dragon NaturallySpeaking."
Seems like they haven't bothered to update this section of Help for a
while.
Bruce
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From: "Chambers, Matt" <no.spam@mail.pls>
To: <no.spam@mail.pls>
Cc: "Judy Evans" <no.spam@mail.pls>; "VoiceGroup (E-mail)"
<no.spam@mail.pls>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 4:41 PM
Subject: RE: [VG] .dra files and Acoustic Optimizer
>
> This is basically true, but you can set Dragon not to save either
type.
>
> First, there are the *.dra files that are saved with specific dictated
documents, usually in the same directory as the document itself. You
can stop these being saved by unchecking Save Recorded Dictation with
Document. (I uncheck this.)
>
> Second, there are the *.dra files that Willi pointed out, usually in
the voice_container\drafiles folder. You can stop these by checking
Conserve Disk Space Required by User Files (for Portability). (I don't
uncheck this.)
>
> I understand that you can run the Acoustic Optimizer without saving
either category of these files, and it will analyze just the data in
your acarchive.nwv file. If you save the second category of *.dra
files, however, the AO will analyze the data in those files, too. This
is what I do.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richards []
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 4:18 p.m.
> To: Willi Sander
> Cc: Judy Evans; 'VoiceGroup (E-mail)'
> Subject: Re: [VG] .dra files and Acoustic Optimizer
>
>
>
> Hi guys -- I pose this question: Could there be TWO TYPES of .dra
> files - each with a different purpose? It seems (and I am guessing
> here) that .dra files are the sound files saved with the dictation
> output (a text file of some sort) and these are kept someplace; AND
that
> .dra associated with corrections are stored as you describe in a
> special directory, used by the AO.
>
> Thus, we might have one type of .dra files which can be turned off
(i.e.
> the ones I mention first); and another which are buried in a special
> directory, containing corrections used for the AO, which are not
> affected by the options switch you mention.
>
> Hmmm... But, then again,... maybe not.
> I think it is at least possible.
>
> Anyone know enough to rebut this hypothesis (and that is all that it
> is....)
>
>
> ---- Richards
>
> ========================================================
>
>
>
> Willi Sander wrote:
> > Judy,
> > you are mistaken in this point. Look into your user file there is a
file
> > called voicecontainer and inside you have your drafiles.
> > AO definitely relys on dra (and the corrections made). However the
user
> > cannot really influence the storage of the dra-files. Even if the
option
> >
> > save a .dra file is turned off.
>
>
>
>
>
>
| From | Willi Sander |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2005-01-21 05:00:23 UTC ago |
| Subject | .dra files and Acoustic Optimizer |
Judy,
you are probably right with the conserve disk space. Sorry, my fault,
but I haven´t testet this new feature of version 8 yet.
In a joint effort we eventually understand all Dragon 8 features one of
these days. :-)
Willi
Judy Evans wrote:
>Willi,
>
>WS> Judy,
>WS> you are mistaken in this point. Look into your user file there is a file
>WS> called voicecontainer and inside you have your drafiles.
>WS> AO definitely relys on dra (and the corrections made).
>
>First,I found it! sorry -- I was looking for a dra folder!
>
>Second
>
>
> However the user
>WS> cannot really influence the storage of the dra-files.
>
>
>I rather think you're wrong: I believe Options, Data, Conserve Disk
>Space, stops the .dra files being stored.
>
>
>WS> Even if the option
>
>WS> save a .dra file is turned off.
>
>that's a different kind of .dra file
>
>Judy
>
>
>
>
>WS> Willi
>
>
>
>
| From | chrissie wilson |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2005-01-24 09:41:26 UTC ago |
| Subject | .dra files and Acoustic Optimizer |
"Chambers, Matt" wrote:
>
> This is basically true, but you can set Dragon not to save either type.
I intend to change option settings as from now, as my drafiles and .dra
files are taking up enormous amounts of space. (I don't intend to use
Accoustic Optimiser.)
However, would it be safe to retrospectively delete those I already have
saved (as I do in Dragon 7 regularly) by searching for all *.dra then
deleting them? Could I do this for both *.dra files and *.drafiles?
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| From | datafacdas_at_email.domain.hidden |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2005-01-24 21:23:20 UTC ago |
| Subject | .dra files and Acoustic Optimizer |
I noticed that the last file to be added to my
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application
Data\ScanSoft\NaturallySpeaking8\Users\neurosennaotr3\current\voice_container\drafiles
is from 12/31/2004.
I have the setting to save corrections in archive checked with archive size
set to max.
I use DNS daily. I think that I might have run AO on 12/31/2004, but have
also run it since then(with good results!).
Do I need to clean out my voice_container\drafiles folder??
DAS
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| From | Bruce Cyr |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2005-01-24 21:40:11 UTC ago |
| Subject | .dra files and Acoustic Optimizer |
I don't know but I would guess not -- DNS seems to be moving away from
having the user doing any direct manipulations of data and files towards
automation and abstraction.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: <no.spam@mail.pls>
To: <no.spam@mail.pls>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [VG] .dra files and Acoustic Optimizer
>
> I noticed that the last file to be added to my
>
> C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application
>
Data\ScanSoft\NaturallySpeaking8\Users\neurosennaotr3\current\voice_cont
ainer\drafiles
>
> is from 12/31/2004.
>
> I have the setting to save corrections in archive checked with archive
size
> set to max.
> I use DNS daily. I think that I might have run AO on 12/31/2004, but
have
> also run it since then(with good results!).
>
> Do I need to clean out my voice_container\drafiles folder??
>
> DAS
| From | datafacdas_at_email.domain.hidden |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2005-01-24 22:57:17 UTC ago |
| Subject | .dra files and Acoustic Optimizer |
<<How big is the folder in terms of file sizes? I seem to remember that
version 7.3 once stopped saving dra files for me.
I think I also remember reading that version 7.3 was supposed to delete
older files once the folder got over 80 megabytes.
I have made a practice to delete those files after running the Acoustic
Optimizer. I have no idea, however, whether this is a good thing or not.>>
I seem to remember something about 80 MB also. Interesting enough, the
folder is 78.6 MB.
I can't remember any recommendations to delete files (and I would think that
the AO would clean up after itself).
Maybe I will do some experimenting on a backup copy of my user. I can try to
delete some of the files and see if new ones get added.
DAS
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