| From | Ilana Maymind |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2003-12-05 21:52:22 UTC ago |
| Subject | " bizarre" custom words |
Judy, I deleted 27 just now. There was no correct form for Vygotsky.
Overall, the recognition decreased by misrecognizing even simple words.
From: "Judy Evans" <no.spam@mail.pls>
To: "Ilana Maymind" <no.spam@mail.pls>; "'VoiceGroup'"
<no.spam@mail.pls>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [VG] training
> Susan
>
> simply correcting adds the word to custom words
>
> Judy Evans, Cardiff (UK)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Fulton" <no.spam@mail.pls>
> To: "Ilana Maymind" <no.spam@mail.pls>; "Judy Evans"
> <no.spam@mail.pls>
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 7:36 PM
> Subject: RE: [VG] training
>
>
> > I tried adding the word to my vocabulary -- successfully -- as follows:
> >
> > I said, "Add word" and a window appeared into which I input "Vygotsky."
> > I checked the box for "I want to train the pronunciation..." then said
| From | Susan Fulton |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2003-12-05 22:04:36 UTC ago |
| Subject | " bizarre" custom words |
The point is, it was transcribed correctly on first dictation after I added it that way. You and Ilana both seemed not to have it recognized properly.
From: "Judy Evans"
To: "Ilana Maymind" ; "'VoiceGroup'"
; "Susan Fulton"
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [VG] training
> Susan
>
> simply correcting adds the word to custom words
>
> Judy Evans, Cardiff (UK)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Fulton"
> To: "Ilana Maymind" ; "Judy Evans"
> ; "'VoiceGroup'"
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 7:36 PM
> Subject: RE: [VG] training
>
>
> > I tried adding the word to my vocabulary -- successfully -- as follows:
> >
> > I said, "Add word" and a window appeared into which I input "Vygotsky."
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| From | Judy Evans |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2003-12-05 22:50:01 UTC ago |
| Subject | " bizarre" custom words |
Susan
> The point is, it was transcribed correctly on first dictation after I
added it that way. You and >Ilana both seemed not to have it recognized
properly.
You added it and trained it, and *then* it was recognised "first time". I
had not added it. I dictated it without adding it, that is:
I said "I am writing a book on Vygotsky" and it was not recognised
I corrected the misrecognition
I then saved the speech files (probably unnecessary)
I then dictated "I am writing a book on Vygotsky" and it was recognised.
I then managed to knock the word out of my vocabulary. So the next time, I
added it without training it, it was recognised first time.
In other words, my first time dictation really was first time, yours was
not. So it is not surprising that I should have problems on first dictation
while you, on what was in fact second dictation and after training, should
not.
I hope the situation is now clear
Judy Evans, Cardiff (UK)
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From: "Susan Fulton" <no.spam@mail.pls>
To: "Ilana Maymind" <no.spam@mail.pls>; "Judy Evans"
<no.spam@mail.pls>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: " bizarre" custom words
> The point is, it was transcribed correctly on first dictation after I
added it that way. You and Ilana both seemed not to have it recognized
| From | Judy Evans |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2003-12-05 23:03:50 UTC ago |
| Subject | " bizarre" custom words |
Ilana
The important thing is, as Tim says, for you to finish your work. But your
voice files are clearly degenerating fast. There are two immediate steps you
can take -- alternatives, unless the first does not work -- to put this
right.
1) (On the DragonBar) Click NaturallySpeaking, Manage Users, and Restore
User.
2) (If the words are still there) delete all the bizarre custom words.
After that try not to save your files at the end of a session unless you've
made a change you know you want to keep
-- that should see you through temporarily
Judy Evans, Cardiff (UK)
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From: "Ilana Maymind" <no.spam@mail.pls>
To: "Judy Evans" <no.spam@mail.pls>; "'VoiceGroup'"
<no.spam@mail.pls>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 9:52 PM
Subject: " bizarre" custom words
> Judy, I deleted 27 just now. There was no correct form for Vygotsky.
> Overall, the recognition decreased by misrecognizing even simple words.
>
>
> From: "Judy Evans" <no.spam@mail.pls>
> To: "Ilana Maymind" <no.spam@mail.pls>; "'VoiceGroup'"
> <no.spam@mail.pls>
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 4:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [VG] training
>
>
> > Susan
> >
> > simply correcting adds the word to custom words
> >
> > Judy Evans, Cardiff (UK)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Susan Fulton" <no.spam@mail.pls>
> > To: "Ilana Maymind" <no.spam@mail.pls>; "Judy Evans"
> > <no.spam@mail.pls>
> > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 7:36 PM
> > Subject: RE: [VG] training
> >
> >
> > > I tried adding the word to my vocabulary -- successfully -- as
follows:
> > >
> > > I said, "Add word" and a window appeared into which I input
"Vygotsky."
> > > I checked the box for "I want to train the pronunciation..." then said
> > "Add." I spoke the word. Then I opened the DragonPad and dictated it
> > successfully the first time.
> > > I am using v. 7.2 with American English.
> > >
> > > ITSpeaking <no.spam@mail.pls> wrote:
> > >
> > > I dictated "Testing the name Vygotski" and got "Testing the name
Seagull
> > > ski". After correcting once Dragon gets the name perfectly every time.
I
> > > wonder if this is because I "anglicise" the phonetics as I don't know
> the
> > > correct pronunciation.
> > > If Judy's suggestion doesn't work try adding the name to the
vocabulary
> > > splitting the spoken form into anglicised phonetics (in my ignorance
> that
> > > would be "vee got ski". If all else fails - Written Form: "Vygotski",
> > > Spoken Form: "that man" ! :-)
> > >
> > > Graham Hendry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you very much -- I will try to do this. Hopefully it will work
and
> > > will save some time for me. Since I am analyzing Vygotskian influence
on
> > > cognitive development, I cannot substitute his name for someone
else's.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Judy Evans"
> > > To: "'VoiceGroup'" ; "Ilana Maymind"
> > >
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 4:24 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [VG] training
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think this must be part of a general recognition problem as when I
> > > > dictated it, corrected the result ("I got ski"!), saved my user
files
> > and
> > > > dictated it again, the program got it right first time.
> > > > What you could do, if you haven't a document where Vygotsky appears
> > > several
> > > > times -- to run through the Vocabulary Builder -- is make a text
file
> of
> > > > about 6 lines with Vygotsky as the only word on each line, and run
it
> > > > through the Accuracy Centre's Add Words from List. I don't guarantee
> > this
> > > > will work, but it would help signal the program that you really want
> the
> > > > word!
> > > >
> > > > Judy Evans, Cardiff (UK)
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ilana Maymind"
> > > > To: "'VoiceGroup'"
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 7:39 PM
> > > > Subject: [VG] training
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I'm trying to understand why in spite of the fact that I trained
the
> > > > system a number of times the word (name) "Vygotsky" (I'm working on
> this
> > > > research part for quite awhile and I'm using this last name all the
> > time),
> > > > no matter what I do the system is putting all kinds off variations
but
> > not
> > > > the name I need? I know it is there because when correction list
comes
> > up
> > > > it is there... every time I have to go through correction list --
> quite
> > > > annoying. What have I done wrong?
> > > > >
> > > > > Ilana
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| From | Susan Fulton |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2003-12-06 04:59:52 UTC ago |
| Subject | " bizarre" custom words |
Ah. I had misunderstood what you wrote.
I did know, of course, that you could add the word
through the correction window. Since I didn't think
DNS would know this word out of the box, I did not
think to try dictating it but chose to add it first
using "add word."
FYI, "add word" also works for phrases even though
the box is titled "add individual word." It probably
does not work for phrases whose "sounds-like" form is
different from the written form.
--- Judy Evans <no.spam@mail.pls> wrote:
> Susan
>
> > The point is, it was transcribed correctly on
> first dictation after I
> added it that way. You and >Ilana both seemed not
> to have it recognized
> properly.
>
> You added it and trained it, and *then* it was
> recognised "first time". I
> had not added it. I dictated it without adding it,
> that is:
> I said "I am writing a book on Vygotsky" and it was
> not recognised
> I corrected the misrecognition
> I then saved the speech files (probably unnecessary)
> I then dictated "I am writing a book on Vygotsky"
> and it was recognised.
>
> I then managed to knock the word out of my
> vocabulary. So the next time, I
> added it without training it, it was recognised
> first time.
>
> In other words, my first time dictation really was
> first time, yours was
> not.
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| From | Judy Evans |
|---|---|
| Posted | 2003-12-06 18:49:07 UTC ago |
| Subject | " bizarre" custom words |
> I did know, of course, that you could add the word
> through the correction window. Since I didn't think
> DNS would know this word out of the box, I did not
> think to try dictating it
I tend to dictate words even if I think the program won't know them, but
your way is probably more efficient.
It probably
> does not work for phrases whose "sounds-like" form is
> different from the written form.
I don't think it does. I haven't actually tested it, it simply seems
unlikely
Judy Evans, Cardiff (UK)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Fulton" <no.spam@mail.pls>
To: "Judy Evans" <no.spam@mail.pls>; "Ilana Maymind"
<no.spam@mail.pls>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: " bizarre" custom words
> Ah. I had misunderstood what you wrote.
> I did know, of course, that you could add the word
> through the correction window. Since I didn't think
> DNS would know this word out of the box, I did not
> think to try dictating it but chose to add it first
> using "add word."
> FYI, "add word" also works for phrases even though
> the box is titled "add individual word." It probably
> does not work for phrases whose "sounds-like" form is
> different from the written form.
>
> --- Judy Evans <no.spam@mail.pls> wrote:
> > Susan
> >
> > > The point is, it was transcribed correctly on
> > first dictation after I
> > added it that way. You and >Ilana both seemed not
> > to have it recognized
> > properly.
> >
> > You added it and trained it, and *then* it was
> > recognised "first time". I
> > had not added it. I dictated it without adding it,
> > that is:
> > I said "I am writing a book on Vygotsky" and it was
> > not recognised
> > I corrected the misrecognition
> > I then saved the speech files (probably unnecessary)
> > I then dictated "I am writing a book on Vygotsky"
> > and it was recognised.
> >
> > I then managed to knock the word out of my
> > vocabulary. So the next time, I
> > added it without training it, it was recognised
> > first time.
> >
> > In other words, my first time dictation really was
> > first time, yours was
> > not.
>
>
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